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  • Trader Joe
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    IDK if I'm confident enough to break it on twitter, but I'll break it here.

    I believe Brad Stevens will be the next Men's basketball coach at IU. 80% sure right now.

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  • Trader Joe
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    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
    He signed an extension a year or so back. I haven't been able to find any details, but that 3.6 is from his original deal.
    Seems to still be the number.

    Very VERY quiet on Peegs and elsewhere today which seems to mean somebody knows something. Rabjohns said "chatter has been very interesting" and was working on somehting more concrete

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  • PacerDude
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    He signed an extension a year or so back. I haven't been able to find any details, but that 3.6 is from his original deal.

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  • Trader Joe
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    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

    All Brad needs to do is walk into Ainge's office, say "You know Danny, I've been thinking, . . . . " and he'll get a raise to whatever he wants.
    No way. Brad's only making $3.6 million and right now Boston is meh at best. Their fans are more pissed off than we are.

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  • Bball
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    Unless nobody really does want to come to IU and coach, no matter what they pay them and what they put into the program, then I think the chances of IU bringing in another 'up and comer' or 'guy with potential and a high ceiling' are probably next to nil.
    I think the Archie Miller hire, and flameout killed that in two senses:
    One- Following the erratic Crean with a swing and a miss on Miller has put the university in a place where they can't afford to get this wrong.
    Two, Archie was such a failure (and let's be honest here... he was a failure) the university has to be snakebit on doing something simllar going forward for this hire. ...And see #1.

    The people that are posting it's absolutely not going to be Brad Stevens has me scratching my head a bit. What logic are they using? It's not like his denial was very solid, and even if it was, what would he say right now?
    If you think about this logically "No, I'm not interested in IU" is not a logical answer. Ultimately, it could be "no"... but for anyone to think he shouldn't or would be listening to IU... Especially knowing his history and connection to the state and what he's thought of IU basketball in the past... well... I just don't think they could possibly be looking at this logically. Maybe they are trying to temper the disappointment of an ultimate "no", or IU hiring someone else regardless of Stevens' availability. But to just discount it's an impossibility, or not a plausibility, just isn't looking at some basic facts (IMHO).

    He left Butler for an opportunity he couldn't pass up. A boat load of money, and a chance to not only move to the NBA (as a young coach), but to coach one of the signature franchises.
    That was 8 years ago.
    NBA coaches rarely stay one place too long.
    That has to be on his mind.
    The honeymoon there is over. Long over.
    Outside of a championship this season, or close to it, why would he think he's going to have many more years left in Boston? Even WITH that, why would he think he could count on many more years?
    You'd have to think he has put a lot of the money in the bank and isn't at all hurting for money for now, and his family's future.

    Meanwhile, Indiana appears ready to toss a lot of money at the next coach.
    Brad Stevens would get a warm reception and a guaranteed honeymoon period.
    IU itself could be a prestige job... and for the right coach could make them the king of Indiana.
    Stevens left college basketball oh so close to the big prize, but ultimately with unfinished business.
    IU will offer a contract of several years, with a nice buyout clause, and warm reception and honeymoon period too.

    He's no longer only a few years into the Celtics gig, he's 8 years into it.
    He's 8 years older.
    If he wants to come back to Indiana, the state, and live... this is an opportunity. Not just for now, but into retirement.
    He has to weigh what he MIGHT make with the Celtics and what he's guaranteed to make, 8 years into the gig, versus a fresh new contract and fresh start with IU.

    And how many of the people saying he wouldn't come back to college ball are the same ones that refuse to watch the NBA? The ones that say it's fixed. Or not fun. Or WWE mixed with basketball rules. Let alone how it's all about a few stars and where THEY want to play, and win. And the rest don't have a chance (due to quality of play AND the argument that the stars will get the calls). So if any of that is true, or they even think it is, once again, what would be logical in thinking Stevens wouldn't entertain an offer from IU?

    If money is at all a motivation, I'd have to think the IU gig now carries the more long term guarantee potential, and overall dollars.
    I'm not even sure, 8 years into his term at Boston, they'd be willing to match what IU would throw at him.

    And this would allow him to write his own exit from the Celtics and the NBA too.

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  • Bball
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    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

    All Brad needs to do is walk into Ainge's office, say "You know Danny, I've been thinking, . . . . " and he'll get a raise to whatever he wants.
    At 8 years as the Celtic coach, and absolutely Zero championships, I think it's a good chance that both he and Ainge know the ride is close to the end.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Rabjohns over on Peegs afternoon update:

    - IU wants Brad. No surprise there, but what is surprising is that NBA sources are now confirming this too. On top of that sources are saying Brad is willing to listen. This is decidedly different than 2017 when Brad would not even listen. So it's real.

    - Other names are basically all usual suspects with NBA ties who also went to IU. Woodson, Frank, Cheaney, Smart, etc.

    - Chris Beard (Texas Tech and I believe the current third highest paid coach in the country behind Cal and K) would listen to IU.


    There's a lot to glean here, but there is one big thing, IU has got big dough to spend. Brad would require at least $6.5 million probably and Beard would likely be the same. Either way, IU has money to spend. That's a big deal
    Yeah, I think it’s obvious IU is going big here. You don’t pay that much money to buy someone out just so you can follow it with a “meh” penny pinching hire.

    This might sound like hyperbole, but they have to get this hire right to pretty much save the program from complete irrelevancy. Thankfully they seem to know it.

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  • PacerDude
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    It sucks that Stevens isn't coaching a flyover franchise like the Grizzlies or Thunder. He just happens to be coaching one of the two most prestigious franchises in NBA history, which likely makes it a bit tougher to walk away from.
    All Brad needs to do is walk into Ainge's office, say "You know Danny, I've been thinking, . . . . " and he'll get a raise to whatever he wants.

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  • Trader Joe
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    Rabjohns over on Peegs afternoon update:

    - IU wants Brad. No surprise there, but what is surprising is that NBA sources are now confirming this too. On top of that sources are saying Brad is willing to listen. This is decidedly different than 2017 when Brad would not even listen. So it's real.

    - Other names are basically all usual suspects with NBA ties who also went to IU. Woodson, Frank, Cheaney, Smart, etc.

    - Chris Beard (Texas Tech and I believe the current third highest paid coach in the country behind Cal and K) would listen to IU.


    There's a lot to glean here, but there is one big thing, IU has got big dough to spend. Brad would require at least $6.5 million probably and Beard would likely be the same. Either way, IU has money to spend. That's a big deal

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  • Sollozzo
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    It sucks that Stevens isn't coaching a flyover franchise like the Grizzlies or Thunder. He just happens to be coaching one of the two most prestigious franchises in NBA history, which likely makes it a bit tougher to walk away from.

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  • Trader Joe
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    If Brad is even on the table, it does show us we should expect whoever does get the job to get PAID. I would imagine Brad would be made the third highest paid coach in the country behind Calipari and K right away.

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  • Trader Joe
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

    Yeah, the playoffs don’t start until the middle of May. So we’re talking about two and a half months at least, but they have the talent to go on a deep run so it could be longer. I guess they might go for it now but Stevens doesn’t strike me as the type to leave mid season, but that’s just me purely guessing.

    Of course, this isn’t the first time that a university has waited to see what happened with the coach of the Celtics. Maybe we should hope that Stevens has a modernized version of Pitino’s rant soon about how “Paul Pierce is not walking through that door”......
    Larry Brown did leave the Nets to go coach Kansas. I don't remember if that was mid season. George Karl also wanted to go coach UNC and they waited til the summer for that in 2000 I think. So there is some precedence here.

    This would be a major blue blood move for IU either way. Obviously the longer the vacancy sits open, and if Brad doesn't give a hard no, the more the speculation will increase and he'll have to deal with that

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  • Trader Joe
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    Well one thing is probably clear to all: it’s now or never for the Stevens to Indiana dream.
    Pretty much anything after this would feel like forcing it even more I think for both sides. Have to imagine the tires were at least kicked in 2017 even if it was just a call. So this is pretty much **** or get off the pot time for both.

    Also if IU is spending this kind of money right now they aren't trying to come back again in 5-10 years looking for another savior.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    8 years in Boston. He knows he's on borrowed time in all likelihood. That alone could be a good reason to be considering IU.
    But is there a situation where IU would/could wait on him?
    Yeah, the playoffs don’t start until the middle of May. So we’re talking about two and a half months at least, but they have the talent to go on a deep run so it could be longer. I guess IU might go for it now though Stevens doesn’t strike me as the type to leave mid season, but that’s just me purely guessing.

    Of course, this isn’t the first time that a university has waited to see what happened with the coach of the Celtics. Maybe we should hope that Stevens soon has a modernized version of Pitino’s rant about how “Paul Pierce is not walking through that door”......
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 03-17-2021, 02:13 PM.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Well one thing is probably clear to all: it’s now or never for the Stevens to Indiana dream.

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