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  • D-BONE
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    As to Archie Miller, there's no way to argue the sentiments presented in the last several posts. Nor would I try. Let me add another question/comment. Has TDJ developed his game in any way that wasn't already strong before arriving in Bloomington? I'm not saying he's not improved, but whatever improvement, IMO, opinion has only built on previous strengths in his game. No development in areas for improvement/diversification of his game.

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  • D-BONE
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo


    Yeah.....you could tell the game was going to be trouble on that first drive when Ole Miss quickly marched up the field. It felt good to hold them to only 3 points, but there were some major signs of trouble.

    There was some horrendous offensive execution that Penix would have improved upon. Still, that was a very winnable game and we just failed to execute.

    I don't want to crap too much on IU Football because they had an amazing year and are way more relevant than I ever thought they'd be. Still, we've had two straight years of golden missed opportunities to win bowl games against SEC schools. Winning both of these last two bowl games would have been beyond phenomenal for the program. Winning just 1 of the 2 would have been absolutely huge. But we've gone 0-2 in 2 games that we could have won. That stings. Big opportuniteis missed for the program. Until we win a bowl game and break that nasty 30 year old streak, it will still feel like there is a stigma attached to IU football.

    I don't think this hurts bad as the Tennesee game last year because we controlled most of that game and collapsed. Plus that game was in a "normal" season with a full crowd (a lot of IU fans made the trip), and Tennessee had a bit better record than Ole Miss. But OTOH this IU team was better than last year. It's just an extension of what happened last year, which is failing to capitalize on a golden opportunity to win a bowl game.

    This is just the story our lives as IU Basketball/Football fans over the years. They always come up just a bit short. So few big time successes for these programs over the last 25+ years.
    I feel your pain and I agree that IU football won't have completely turned around its abysmal program history until there's a bowl victory. I am not sure that Ole Miss wasn't actually better than Tennessee despite their record. Although there are contextual reasons that take away from that assertion. It doesn't change the fact that we're 0 for bowl games in the Allen (+ Wilson) era. On an optimistic note, in theory IU has a strong returning group next year with the B1G East competition looking relatively static (including OSU coming to Bloomington w/ an inexperienced QB).

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  • Bball
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    I'm feeling pretty confident that this is a problem that CAN'T be fixed without a coaching change. Mainly because we're too deep in the tenure, and nothing is changing. No, morphing or reinventing of Miller's system from one year to the next. No new assistant coach that we know is tasked with being part of that change. It would look and feel like flailing to try and make that change all at once next season. Although that's probably the Hail Mary that is coming... or else another season just like this (or worse is possible). But without that Hail Mary (and it working), I don't see another season of this getting Miller another year beyond next season. You could make a darned good argument for making the change at the end of this season without a saving end of season run.

    Plucking an up and coming coach from a mid-major can certainly work... But I suppose there's also a question to be answered: Is that coach making lesser talent over-achieve and benefitting from a weaker strength of schedule and 'star' teams under-estimating you?
    And can that translate to a bigger stage, and higher level players?

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  • Trader Joe
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    The pack line defense works great til a team hits a few 3s against you and then basically you're dead in the water and losing to a math problem. It's like Nate McMillan on steroids

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by clownskull
    i don't know what else to say. this team has at best, an outside shot at the ncaa tourney. and our guards suck at shooting. not in the miller era have we ever had a team that can hit the 3 and they've been trash at the foul line too. i want to believe Archie can get this in order but, I'm growing more skeptical by the day. i don't see improvement with the problems we had in his first couple of years, it just stays.
    Yeah, we might as well be watching a game from 2 or 3 years ago. Nothing ever changes. Nothing ever improves.

    Our schedule is brutal to close the year out. It will take a miracle to make the tournament.

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  • clownskull
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    i don't know what else to say. this team has at best, an outside shot at the ncaa tourney. and our guards suck at shooting. not in the miller era have we ever had a team that can hit the 3 and they've been trash at the foul line too. i want to believe Archie can get this in order but, I'm growing more skeptical by the day. i don't see improvement with the problems we had in his first couple of years, it just stays. edit: i wish i could believe there is a light at the end of this tunnel but, i have seen NOTHING that would convince me there is. most likely, tjd is gone after this year and where does that leave this team? without him, this is a sub .500 team. if Archie makes it past this season, then next season has got to be make or break and i'm already forecasting it as pretty bad. this team is very anemic offensively as-is. without Davis, there is no offense. they'll struggle to average more than 45 points a game.
    Last edited by clownskull; 01-15-2021, 12:32 PM.

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  • Sollozzo
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    I think there is a lot of truth to the theory of too much defense. Even if you're a great defensive team, in the modern era of basketball there are just too many talented players who can get hot and bomb it.

    At the end of the day, you still have to score more points than the other team in order to win. Tough to do that if you have a poor offense and our offense is absolutely abysmal at times.

    Purdue shot a better percentage from 3 (64.7%) than we did from the foul line (55.2%). That's just surreal when you think about it. And we were like 16% from 3 I think.

    How is it possible that we can be so bad shooting the ball? People who play pickup games can get pretty good at shooting the ball with some practice, so it's just nuts that you can have players at the elite college level being this consistently bad at it. There are probably a lot of random pickup game players at IU right now who would shoot the ball better than what we are witnessing. We are towards the bottom of Big 10 in 3 PG % and FT% and look to keep sinking.

    I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but what does Archie offer? Sure he snagged some big Indiana HS players with Langford and TJD, but that ultimately doesn't matter much if you can't win with them. Nothing ever improves: first and foremost this is a team that has shown it cannot consistenly win in the Big 10. Our schedule is absolutely brutal to close the season out.
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-15-2021, 11:12 AM.

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  • Bball
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    I'm still going with you theory... Too much emphasis on defense, not nearly enough on offense. And the defense isn't that great.... But if the opponent is hitting a few threes and you're bricking them, then that's negating your defense pretty effectively.
    But EVERY year not hitting 3s, not much midrange either, and poor FT shooting are no longer outliers.

    IU's defense is OK, I guess, it's just that IU can't weather a few 3's because they can't match them at all... and can't make up for it at the FT line either.

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  • Trader Joe
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    The last time we beat Purdue, Obama was president.

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  • Sollozzo
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    No improvement ever. Consistently owned by Purdue every year now. Just sad. Archie is what he is: a mid major coach who has done nothing to improve us over 4 years. Things seem as bleak as ever.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Basketball has won a couple of consecutive games that they really needed to win, so props to Archie and the team for that. The rest of the schedule is a typical heart-of-the-season brutal Big 10 schedule, so every single win is absolutely crucial.

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  • Bball
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    I 100% agree.
    That first drive was a giant "uh oh" for me...

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by Bball

    Unless Penix would've stopped some of those Ole Miss runs at the line of scrimmage, or behind the line of scrimmage, I'm not sure how much different the game would've been. How many times did a little deception lead to someone getting several yards on a play that should've been lucky to get back to the line of scrimmage? And then, big plays in the passing game to pepper into the offense too.

    Take nothing away from the season IU had... But they were in the bowl they deserved to be in, and they were outplayed today to the point, the right team won.

    Maybe the layoff hurt IU... Maybe they weren't ready for 80 degree football, especially after the layoff... But whatever it was... today wasn't their day. Great season though.

    Yeah.....you could tell the game was going to be trouble on that first drive when Ole Miss quickly marched up the field. It felt good to hold them to only 3 points, but there were some major signs of trouble.

    There was some horrendous offensive execution that Penix would have improved upon. Still, that was a very winnable game and we just failed to execute.

    I don't want to crap too much on IU Football because they had an amazing year and are way more relevant than I ever thought they'd be. Still, we've had two straight years of golden missed opportunities to win bowl games against SEC schools. Winning both of these last two bowl games would have been beyond phenomenal for the program. Winning just 1 of the 2 would have been absolutely huge. But we've gone 0-2 in 2 games that we could have won. That stings. Big opportuniteis missed for the program. Until we win a bowl game and break that nasty 30 year old streak, it will still feel like there is a stigma attached to IU football.

    I don't think this hurts bad as the Tennesee game last year because we controlled most of that game and collapsed. Plus that game was in a "normal" season with a full crowd (a lot of IU fans made the trip), and Tennessee had a bit better record than Ole Miss. But OTOH this IU team was better than last year. It's just an extension of what happened last year, which is failing to capitalize on a golden opportunity to win a bowl game.

    This is just the story our lives as IU Basketball/Football fans over the years. They always come up just a bit short. So few big time successes for these programs over the last 25+ years.
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-03-2021, 12:40 PM.

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  • Bball
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo
    Ugh. Just can’t ever quite take the next step by winning a bowl game. Poor execution. Yeah I get that things would have been different with Penix, but this one still stings. Two straight years with missed golden opportunities to win bowl games against the SEC.
    Unless Penix would've stopped some of those Ole Miss runs at the line of scrimmage, or behind the line of scrimmage, I'm not sure how much different the game would've been. How many times did a little deception lead to someone getting several yards on a play that should've been lucky to get back to the line of scrimmage? And then, big plays in the passing game to pepper into the offense too.

    Take nothing away from the season IU had... But they were in the bowl they deserved to be in, and they were outplayed today to the point, the right team won.

    Maybe the layoff hurt IU... Maybe they weren't ready for 80 degree football, especially after the layoff... But whatever it was... today wasn't their day. Great season though.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Ugh. Just can’t ever quite take the next step by winning a bowl game. Poor execution. Yeah I get that things would have been different with Penix, but this one still stings. Two straight years with missed golden opportunities to win bowl games against the SEC.

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