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  • It's really important for this team to keep losing. Currently they are in the 14th spot at 4-7-1. But there is a team who is 4-8 who has the 5th pick right now! So a few losses could really make this team move up the board quickly.

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    • Originally posted by Banta View Post
      Ryan is consistently late delivering the ball.

      With no velocity…with no strength….with no confidence….

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      • Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
        It's really important for this team to keep losing. Currently they are in the 14th spot at 4-7-1. But there is a team who is 4-8 who has the 5th pick right now! So a few losses could really make this team move up the board quickly.
        How can we possibly justify playing Ryan one more snap this season? Florio said we owe him an additional $17.205 million on top of his guaranteed $12 million next year if he can’t pass his physical in March. Thus, it’s insane at this point to keep playing him and risking injury when he obviously shouldn’t be in our future plans.

        The playoffs have been realistically dead for a while with this team, but last night was definitely the nail in the coffin of any pipe dream hope for getting to the playoffs. There is no reason to not immediately start Ehlinger right now. I don’t think Ehlinger is the answer, but we know that Ryan absolutely is not the answer. The ONLY justification for ever going back to Ryan was the playoff pipe dream. That’s dead now.

        Start Ehlinger and give him a large sample size of games that you can at least evaluate and see if there’s any potential there. If we keep losing anyway, which is likely, then at least we will be playing for the high pick. We would also be playing for the high pick with Ryan, but at least there isn’t the financial risk. There’s zero justification for playing a washed up Ryan any more this year.

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        • Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

          How can we possibly justify playing Ryan one more snap this season? Florio said we owe him an additional $17.205 million on top of his guaranteed $12 million next year if he can’t pass his physical in March. Thus, it’s insane at this point to keep playing him and risking injury when he obviously shouldn’t be in our future plans.

          The playoffs have been realistically dead for a while with this team, but last night was definitely the nail in the coffin of any pipe dream hope for getting to the playoffs. There is no reason to not immediately start Ehlinger right now. I don’t think Ehlinger is the answer, but we know that Ryan absolutely is not the answer. The ONLY justification for ever going back to Ryan was the playoff pipe dream. That’s dead now.

          Start Ehlinger and give him a large sample size of games that you can at least evaluate and see if there’s any potential there. If we keep losing anyway, which is likely, then at least we will be playing for the high pick. We would also be playing for the high pick with Ryan, but at least there isn’t the financial risk. There’s zero justification for playing a washed up Ryan any more this year.
          The question of the day is why we even HAVE Foles around?
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • Originally posted by Bball View Post

            The question of the day is why we even HAVE Foles around?
            That’s probably what they should have done initially. If not initially, then definitely when Saturday came and went back to Ryan. But now the season is so lost that do you really want Foles to come in and win a couple games? I’d rather go Ehlinger so we can get a sample size of games on him.

            One of the few correct decisions we’ve made recently is benching Ryan...whether it was Reich, Irsay, whomever. He is clearly done. Then we decided to double check to see if he’s really done, and the answer is still a resounding yes….he’s still really really done.

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            • Moving on from Ryan was a tough decision that was already made. Going back to Ryan was easy enough to do, but makes going away from him again twice as tough as before. At least for Saturday. He would really need to put his leadership cap on to explain the situation and not make it look like a mistake to go back to him in the first place. Or to at least put some kind of spin or explanation behind it as to why it was an experiment worth trying, and now why he's reverting back.

              Of course, it's not hard to see why SOMETHING needs to be done. The offense has no spark at all. And no matter how much success can be had running the ball with JT, reality does set in... you can't run him every down. Eventually, the success comes to an end as the other team gears up to stop the only thing you can do, while letting your stop yourself on other aspects of the offense.
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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              • Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                Clearly The decision to bench Ryan and start Ehlinger -whether it came from Irsay, Reich, or a combo - was not wrong. It was a bit weird to say he was the starter rest of the year, but clearly it was right to see what Ehlinger had. He played decent in the Washington game - had that beautiful long pass to Pierce before Taylor immediately fumbled on the next play - one of a few costly ones from him lately. Sure NE was rough for Ehlinger, but it always is for the Colts.

                Ryan is just bad and Aikman was right to put so much of it on him. He just can’t advance the ball. Might as well start Ehlinger rest of the season to see if there’s anything there. 2 games isn’t enough.

                Aikman watches a lot of different teams and he clearly was shocked at just how bad our offense is at moving the ball.

                It’s tough for the defense when they get so little help from the offense, but it seems they have a knack for letting teams score at the end to put the game away.

                That was really only much of a game because of the kickoff return…..
                It was interesting watching Aikman’s tone on Ryan change as the game progressed. You could almost hear when Aikman realized Ryan is the problem.

                I understand why we went back to Ryan. Saturday needed to win over the locker room and that was the fast pass. But why can’t the locker room react to what’s happening on the field?

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                • We could have drafted Taylor and Jalen Hurts together in 2020 but instead spent a high pick on Pittman.

                  Shoudla woulda coulda, but the patchwork veteran QB strategy and not drafting a QB high definitely came at a price.
                  Last edited by Sollozzo; 11-29-2022, 02:27 PM.

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                  • They’re probably going to win 1-2 more games this season and land themselves out of the QB race. Personally, I want Drake Maye so waiting another year is fine with me.


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                    • Originally posted by imawhat View Post

                      It was interesting watching Aikman’s tone on Ryan change as the game progressed. You could almost hear when Aikman realized Ryan is the problem.

                      I understand why we went back to Ryan. Saturday needed to win over the locker room and that was the fast pass. But why can’t the locker room react to what’s happening on the field?

                      I’ve always thought Aikman is the best in the business in terms of seeing the game and explaining the game to your average fan. I miss him on FOX because FOX games are generally of higher quality, plus they get playoff games and the Super Bowl rotation.

                      I read some fans were complaining on Twitter about Aikman being so hard on the Colts. Well the Colts offense sucks and Aikman’s job is to tell the truth and explain why. Aikman did a good job outlining that it’s not all on the offensive line. Watt was held off for much of the night. Ryan is just as big of a problem as the O-Line.

                      Like Aikman noted, Ryan often panics and locks in on a receiver for a tight short pass instead of seeing other potential options down the field. There is also an abundance of poor timing where we don’t get as many yards as we could on a pass because of a poor throw. Additionally, he railed on something that has been plaguing this team all year, which is throwing it for a few yards on a third and long. Like he said - teams will give us that trash all day because it’s not going to win. The play that sticks out from last night was a pitiful 4 yard pass on a 3rd and 14.

                      Aikman as a former QB sees the game through the eyes of a QB, and he seemed genuinely offended at just how bad our offense is. He watches a lot of football week in and week out. Sees a lot of teams, a lot of talent. Then he has to sit and watch the Colts. As the game wore on, he was really able to explain the root of our issues.

                      It will be entertaining when Aikman comes back for the Chargers game in a month. MNF can’t be flexed, right? We’ll be the walking dead at that point. The NFL gives us two MNF home games within a month and we’ll likely lose both.
                      Last edited by Sollozzo; 11-29-2022, 08:40 PM.

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                      • I'm kind of thinking Ballard doesn't survive all of this. It's not like Ballard is the only possible GM out there for the Colts. Meanwhile, things have went so wrong (some part of a snowball not of his making... what franchise QB just quits at 29 years old?).
                        But there's a need to sell tickets next season. The honeymoon will be over for Jeff Saturday. Even if he's given the fulltime gig, there's going to need to be something else to energize fans. Something to tell fans that 2023 isn't going to be like 2022. And what could that be? A new GM... A new way of looking at things from above. A new approach or just fresh eyes and a different vantage point to assess talent and needs.
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • Yes it’s time for Ballard to go. 5 years is plenty of time to build a legit team. He hasn’t done that.

                          The first goal of a successful NFL team is to win your division because that’s an automatic home playoff game. We have 0 division titles in 5 years. If you can just put yourself in a position to compete against the other 3 division teams who you play 6 times, then your season can turn out very nice. Instead, during Ballard’s tenure the Colts have never been able to make themselves consistently stand out in a relatively weak division. We are completely owned by Tennessee. We have embarrassing losses in Jacksonville. We tie against pathetic Houston.

                          To me, it’s pretty simple when it comes to Ballard. In year 5, He can’t build a team that competes in a weak division. Time for a new GM.

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                          • Well at least the Colts get a higher draft pick.

                            The Pacers won(I didn't stay up to watch it as I had work the next day)

                            Beyond that there's not much else to say about this team they aren't even interesting enough to be mad at tbh.

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                            • So we are still committing to Ryan? I just don’t get it. I’m sure he’s a pro in the locker room which makes Saturday like him, but he’s just toast and there’s nothing to play for. I get going back to him a few weeks ago when there was still the playoff pipe dream, but that completely died with these back to back home losses.

                              There’s no way Ryan fits into our future plans at this point, and if Florio is right, then we owe him a lot of money if he gets hurt and can’t pass a March physical. Insane to play him against the likes of Dallas, Minnesota, and New York.

                              Ehlinger almost certainly isn’t the answer, but you can’t make a full evaluation on him after 2 games - 1 decent game at home and 1 horrible game in a tough environment. Just go back to Ehlinger so you can evaluate him while the losses pile up.

                              Benching Ryan was one of the few things we’ve done right recently.
                              Last edited by Sollozzo; 12-01-2022, 03:33 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                                So we are still committing to Ryan? I just don’t get it. I’m sure he’s a pro in the locker room which makes Saturday like him, but he’s just toast and there’s nothing to play for. I get going back to him a few weeks ago when there was still the playoff pipe dream, but that completely died with these back to back home losses.

                                There’s no way Ryan fits into our future plans at this point, and if Florio is right, then we owe him a lot of money if he gets hurt and can’t pass a March physical. Insane to play him against the likes of Dallas, Minnesota, and New York.

                                Ehlinger almost certainly isn’t the answer, but you can’t make a full evaluation on him after 2 games - 1 decent game at home and 1 horrible game in a tough environment. Just go back to Ehlinger so you can evaluate him while the losses pile up.

                                Benching Ryan was one of the few things we’ve done right recently.
                                The season is over(really was over since Week 1 tbh) they might as well get a high draft pick.

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