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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • #46
    I still think one of the most impactful moves we will ultimately make is a coaching change.

    I like Nate as a motivator, and as a culture builder. He's done a great job establishing this new run, IMO.

    That said, his offensive schemes are just not great.

    After watching this team for years now, I lay our continued defensive success largely at Dan Burke's feet.

    He's been outcoached in a substantive way during the last 2 playoffs, especially during the Cleveland series.

    Once this new team makeup stabilizes, and our new culture is in place, it'll be time to bring in a lead associate coach that has real offensive chops, and then once that person is established, thank Nate for his service, and send him on his way.

    Just my $0.02.
    Last edited by docpaul; 08-03-2019, 05:19 PM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by docpaul View Post
      I still think one of the most impactful moves we will ultimately make is a coaching change.

      I like Nate as a motivator, and as a culture builder. He's done a great job establishing this new run, IMO.

      That said, his offensive schemes are just not great.

      After watching this team for years now, I lay our continued defensive success largely at Dan Burke's feet.

      He's been outcoached in a substantive way during the last 2 playoffs, especially during the Cleveland series.

      Once this new team makeup stabilizes, and our new culture is in place, it'll be time to bring in a lead associate coach that has real offensive chops, and then once that person is established, thank Nate for his service, and send him on his way.

      Just my $0.02.
      I agree with this post. I only think Nate has been hanging on because of the roster changes that we have been making. This year will be about the 3rd different starting lineup and 2nd major roster change that Nate had to go through as his time as head coach of the Pacers. I may be wrong, but I think the only player that is still here from his first season as the HC is Myles. We now finally have a roster where everyone is close in age and on the same time table. If I'm the pacers I'm giving nate 1 year to see if the offense can look any better than it has in past seasons.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post

        What lol. I really don't get this type of fan mentality. I mean, I know we're all a melting pot, but the whole "win or people get fired" thing is like... overboard.
        I agree completely!

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        • #49
          i think we'll make the playoffs 4th or 5th. I also think we have a good shot at making the 2nd round of the playoffs, if Domas does not disappear like he did against Boston last year. However, regardless of the final outcome I'm sure I'll enjoy the season. Cheers

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          • #50
            Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post
            i think we'll make the playoffs 4th or 5th. I also think we have a good shot at making the 2nd round of the playoffs, if Domas does not disappear like he did against Boston last year. However, regardless of the final outcome I'm sure I'll enjoy the season. Cheers
            It's interesting that this is the second time you bring up Domas disappearing in the playoffs. I freely admit he was not good in the playoffs. Brad Stevens did a magnificent job of planning to shut down Domas with Al Horford & Aaron Bane doing a superb job of shutting off the middle.

            The interesting point of this is that you keep pointing out Domas but seem to be not mentioning that Myle Turner was also abysmal in the playoffs. It seems purposeful, are you wanting to move on from Domas I assume?


            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Peck View Post

              It's interesting that this is the second time you bring up Domas disappearing in the playoffs. I freely admit he was not good in the playoffs. Brad Stevens did a magnificent job of planning to shut down Domas with Al Horford & Aaron Bane doing a superb job of shutting off the middle.

              The interesting point of this is that you keep pointing out Domas but seem to be not mentioning that Myle Turner was also abysmal in the playoffs. It seems purposeful, are you wanting to move on from Domas I assume?
              Fortunately for us, the Celtics went from Horford/Baynes ( who is a solid low post defender ) to Kanter/Theis. The hope is that we don't end up playing the Sixers with a Horford/Embiid Frontcourt.
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                I still think one of the most impactful moves we will ultimately make is a coaching change.

                I like Nate as a motivator, and as a culture builder. He's done a great job establishing this new run, IMO.

                That said, his offensive schemes are just not great.

                After watching this team for years now, I lay our continued defensive success largely at Dan Burke's feet.

                He's been outcoached in a substantive way during the last 2 playoffs, especially during the Cleveland series.

                Once this new team makeup stabilizes, and our new culture is in place, it'll be time to bring in a lead associate coach that has real offensive chops, and then once that person is established, thank Nate for his service, and send him on his way.

                Just my $0.02.
                Heís our Mark Jackson/ Dwayne Casey we need to
                find our Steve Kerr/Nick Nurse

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                  Heís our Mark Jackson/ Dwayne Casey we need to
                  find our Steve Kerr/Nick Nurse
                  Unfortunately, every Team is trying to find a Steve Kerr.
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  • #54
                    Do people really think Kerr's some coaching maestro, and not just a guy who lucked into the most talented roster in modern NBA history? If anything, the Warriors underachieved relative to their talent, which leads me to believe Kerr's probably pretty f***ing mediocre.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
                      Do people really think Kerr's some coaching maestro, and not just a guy who lucked into the most talented roster in modern NBA history? If anything, the Warriors underachieved relative to their talent, which leads me to believe Kerr's probably pretty f***ing mediocre.
                      Or maybe Mark Jackson was just THAT bad.
                      "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

                      - ilive4sports

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by LilSean320 View Post

                        I agree with this post. I only think Nate has been hanging on because of the roster changes that we have been making. This year will be about the 3rd different starting lineup and 2nd major roster change that Nate had to go through as his time as head coach of the Pacers. I may be wrong, but I think the only player that is still here from his first season as the HC is Myles. We now finally have a roster where everyone is close in age and on the same time table. If I'm the pacers I'm giving nate 1 year to see if the offense can look any better than it has in past seasons.
                        I'm not convinced that Nate is the problem or the solution. I do think this roster core is going to be relatively set for the next 3 seasons so we will get an opportunity to find out.

                        On the other hand, him and Pritchard go way back so I'm not convinced he'll be on any kind of hot seat any time soon. I'm not so sure bad offense isn't really a result of a lack of offensive talent overall, and the addition of Brogdon, subtraction of Thad, and natural improvement and an increased role for both Turner and Sabonis will help alleviate this issue. I've felt for a while that relying so heavily on Thaddeus Young stifled the offensive ceiling of the team. (which can somewhat be blamed on Nate, to be fair)
                        "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

                        - ilive4sports

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Mr. Mass
                          If anything, the Warriors underachieved relative to their talent, which leads me to believe Kerr's probably pretty f***ing mediocre.
                          Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force
                          Or maybe Mark Jackson was just THAT bad.
                          .


                          I go with YES.

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                          • #58
                            If Dipo is healthy we are probably going to make some noise in the playoffs for the first time in years. But there are two main concerns.

                            1) Dipo's health. It's a flip of the coin IMO.
                            2) Team chemistry. It's been good for awhile. I've seen that change quickly and we are somewhat due for having struggles there.
                            Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                              If Dipo is healthy we are probably going to make some noise in the playoffs for the first time in years. But there are two main concerns.

                              1) Dipo's health. It's a flip of the coin IMO.
                              2) Team chemistry. It's been good for awhile. I've seen that change quickly and we are somewhat due for having struggles there.
                              A big question for me is how good can Brogdon become as a facilitator? I know he didn't really do that in Milwaukee given Bledsoe & Antetokoumpo had the ball most of the time, but he is insanely smart so maybe, just maybe he will be more of a PG than we expected.
                              I mean look at Lowry's last 2 All-Star seasons:
                              16.2ppg-5.6rpg-6.9apg & 14.2ppg-4.8rpg-8.7apg if Brogdon could do something like this whilst playing the defense he is capable of he will be an absolutely perfect fit for us.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
                                Do people really think Kerr's some coaching maestro, and not just a guy who lucked into the most talented roster in modern NBA history? If anything, the Warriors underachieved relative to their talent, which leads me to believe Kerr's probably pretty f***ing mediocre.
                                2014-2015 Warriors won 67 games under Kerr with a top 5 Offense and Defense. Same team as Jackson but moved Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes to the starting lineup. 3 rings in 5 years isnít an underachievement. They would of won this year if all the injuries didnít happen

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