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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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  • #31
    I really like the team and its depth. Losing Thad is going to hurt us, and DC (with Vic) was a stabilizing presence on the court. Brogdon is a serious upgrade there though, and Warren/Lamb should make up for Bogey. Not having Tyreke for Nate to put on the court will only help us as well. I think this is a pretty good team, and I haven't been more excited for a season in ages. I don't know what to expect in terms of record or anything, but I think this is a good team after Vic gels.
    Last edited by Ichi; 07-28-2019, 08:45 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
      Expectations should be ECF, or Pritchard gets fired. We all know this team can make the first round of the playoffs, and lose. Making the second round is a better goal, but I think Pacer fans should have higher expectations. East does not have any super teams standing in our way. It's time to win, or find someone else to run the team.
      What lol. I really don't get this type of fan mentality. I mean, I know we're all a melting pot, but the whole "win or people get fired" thing is like... overboard.
      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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      • #33
        Really feel like Brogdon is going to fill the intangibles/vet leadership holes Thad's departure creates. Warren is an acceptable Bogie replacement but don't think he will be as durable or offensively versatile. Definitely appreciate what Lamb will bring vs. the inconsistent mess that was Tyreke & Mathews.

        Really going to come down to two things in my mind. Can Domas & Myles progress another level and can Vic get back to 90% by the playoffs. If both those things happen I see a 46ish win team that will be very dangerous come playoff time. If neither happens the team is likely looking at a late lottery pick or at best a quick, non-competitive 1st round exit......

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
          zero idea. we got 4 new starters for the time being if we really start Domas. DC/Vic/Bogey/Thad/Myles to Brogdon/Vic/Lamb/Domas/Myles is so insanely different. yes that's the starters I want when Vic's healthy.
          Lamb over Warren? I actually like that idea, but he is only 6'5 & quite skinny or do you see Brogdon matching up with whoever is the biggest perimeter threat?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
            I dont really expect them to come out of the gate killing it, but I think we will be a dangerous 5 seed that nobody wants to play come playoff time.

            I really like our potential starting unit of Brogdon, Oladipo, Warren, Sabonis and Turner but I'm not sure they will have enough floor time this year to come together by playoff time. Plus Vic needs us to temper our expectations of him this year. He will have missed a calendar year by the time he gets back and will only have around 40 games to get his legs back.

            Honestly, I could see a number of scenarios play out and not really be surprised by any of them. This team has so many unknowns the only thing we can do as fans is let it play out. Too many variables.
            Yeah...this pretty much sums up expectations. If I were have to one expectation then it would be that I don't expect them to play like a lottery team. If that happens, then it's time to move on from Nate.


            Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Bricklayer View Post
              I see us at .500 until Dipo is ready. Then, we ramp up through the playoffs at .650. 48 wins. Minimum 2nd round, but possibly much more depending on how quickly we gel.
              I rather agree. time will tell

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              • #37
                This team has just been rebuilt and we said goodbye to lots of solid vets.

                I've kept hearing about how much value is placed on "continuity", but that is all out the window now.

                How long will this new continuity last? Probably not long.

                The never ending revolving door continues.

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                • #38
                  My assumed minutes breakdown:

                  C. Turner 32mpg/Bitadze 12mpg/Sabonis 4mpg = 48mpg
                  PF. Sabonis 26mpg/Leaf 18mpg/Warren 4mpg = 48mpg
                  SF. Warren 26mpg/McDermott 12mpg/Lamb 10mpg = 48mpg
                  SG. Oladipo 32mpg/Lamb 14mpg/Holiday 4mpg = 48mpg
                  PG. Brogdon 32mpg/McConnell 12mpg/Holiday 4mpg = 48mpg

                  Turner 32mpg
                  Sabonis 30mpg
                  Warren 30mpg
                  Oladipo 32mpg
                  Brogdon 32mpg
                  Lamb 24mpg
                  Leaf 18mpg
                  McDermott 12mpg
                  McConnell 12mpg
                  Bitadze 12mpg
                  Holiday 8mpg

                  Obviously Lamb will have more as will the Holidays while Oladipo is out, but this is kind of what I think it looks like once everyone back & healthy.

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                  • #39
                    Where are the Naz Mitrou-Long minutes?
                    Never forget

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by festar35 View Post
                      My assumed minutes breakdown:

                      C. Turner 32mpg/Bitadze 12mpg/Sabonis 4mpg = 48mpg
                      PF. Sabonis 26mpg/Leaf 18mpg/Warren 4mpg = 48mpg
                      SF. Warren 26mpg/McDermott 12mpg/Lamb 10mpg = 48mpg
                      SG. Oladipo 32mpg/Lamb 14mpg/Holiday 4mpg = 48mpg
                      PG. Brogdon 32mpg/McConnell 12mpg/Holiday 4mpg = 48mpg

                      1. Turner 32mpg
                      2. Sabonis 30mpg
                      3. Warren 30mpg
                      4. Oladipo 32mpg
                      5. Brogdon 32mpg
                      6. Lamb 24mpg
                      7. Leaf 18mpg
                      8. McDermott 12mpg
                      9. McConnell 12mpg
                      10. Bitadze 12mpg
                      11. Holiday 8mpg

                      Obviously Lamb will have more as will the Holidays while Oladipo is out, but this is kind of what I think it looks like once everyone back & healthy.
                      11 guys? Don't see that. I guess it may average out that way because of injuries and blowouts, but on average I don't think McConnell will play, and probably one of Doug or Leaf once Vic is back.

                      I think the team should be in the mid 40 for wins and at least make the playoffs, probably be a 5-6 seed.

                      Brogdon 32 / A. Holiday 16
                      Oladipo 32 / Lamb 16
                      Warren 20 / Lamb 16 / J. Holiday 12
                      Sabonis 26 / Leaf 12 / Warren 10
                      Turner 32 / Goga 10 / Sabonis 6

                      Brogdon 32
                      Oladipo 32
                      Lamb 32
                      Turner 32
                      Sabonis 32
                      Warren 30
                      A. Holiday 16
                      Leaf 12
                      J. Holiday 12
                      Goga 10

                      I think Goga or Leaf will be mostly out in the playoffs or whenever rotations shrink. I do think Doug and McConnell will get situational minutes on a semi-regular basis for a while.
                      Last edited by ECKrueger; 08-01-2019, 08:47 AM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post

                        11 guys? Don't see that. I guess it may average out that way because of injuries and blowouts, but on average I don't think McConnell will play, and probably one of Doug or Leaf once Vic is back.

                        I think the team should be in the mid 40 for wins and at least make the playoffs, probably be a 5-6 seed.

                        Brogdon 32 / A. Holiday 16
                        Oladipo 32 / Lamb 16
                        Warren 20 / Lamb 16 / J. Holiday 12
                        Sabonis 26 / Leaf 12 / Warren 10
                        Turner 32 / Goga 10 / Sabonis 6

                        Brogdon 32
                        Oladipo 32
                        Lamb 32
                        Turner 32
                        Sabonis 32
                        Warren 30
                        A. Holiday 16
                        Leaf 12
                        J. Holiday 12
                        Goga 10

                        I think Goga or Leaf will be mostly out in the playoffs or whenever rotations shrink. I do think Doug and McConnell will get situational minutes on a semi-regular basis for a while.
                        McConnell will play. Not sure how much, but he’ll see the floor.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Handoverfist View Post
                          McConnell will play. Not sure how much, but he’ll see the floor.
                          I think so too, on certain nights, certain matchups, certain situations, but not nightly. I can't imagine 11 guys playing on a daily basis.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post

                            I think so too, on certain nights, certain matchups, certain situations, but not nightly. I can't imagine 11 guys playing on a daily basis.
                            I think Brogdon could see time at PG, SG, and maybe even some occasional SF. I can see any of McD, both Holidays, and Leaf's PT getting significantly curtailed once Vic is back and the playoffs draw closer. I think McConnell winds up seeing as many or more minutes than one or two of those guys. I think he'll find a way to the floor, particularly if A. Holiday doesn't establish himself in the first half of the season.
                            I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                            -Emiliano Zapata

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by D-BONE View Post

                              I think Brogdon could see time at PG, SG, and maybe even some occasional SF. I can see any of McD, both Holidays, and Leaf's PT getting significantly curtailed once Vic is back and the playoffs draw closer. I think McConnell winds up seeing as many or more minutes than one or two of those guys. I think he'll find a way to the floor, particularly if A. Holiday doesn't establish himself in the first half of the season.
                              I can see all that too. Just didn't feel like trying to show all that in my post. I think we'll be a lot closer to position-less out side the five spot.

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                              • #45
                                McConnell will play, just in limited or situational minutes, They will push to see what Holiday has to offer with meaningful minutes. If Aaron struggles for a few weeks then steps in TJ until Aaron is not struggling
                                Pauuuuuuul George for Threeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhhhh!

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