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Re: Nirvana's place in the world of music....
Actually that is one of the things that was never really touched on in this thread and really really really deserves a conversation.
Grunge, while guitar oriented, actually discouraged guitar players. I've heard Rivers Cuomo (Weezer) speak about this on "guitar sessions" on the 101.
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I don't think Grunge discouraged guitar playing... I think it took the focus off of seeing how many notes could be played between verses and put it back on interesting riffs and melodies. If anything, I'd think it would encourage songwriting and serve NOT to discourage players who have more soul than speed in their fingers.
...I'm not sure how trying to emulate 12 hamsters running up and down the guitar neck actually encouraged anything but ego...
I'm looking at you Yngwie!Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
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Totally agree with Bball on this.“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill
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And you would be right if I were talking about Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai or even Joe Satriani.I don't think Grunge discouraged guitar playing... I think it took the focus off of seeing how many notes could be played between verses and put it back on interesting riffs and melodies. If anything, I'd think it would encourage songwriting and serve NOT to discourage players who have more soul than speed in their fingers.
...I'm not sure how trying to emulate 12 hamsters running up and down the guitar neck actually encouraged anything but ego...
I'm looking at you Yngwie!
We BillBradley and I talked about this earlier in the thread but I don't consider speed of a guitar player to be an attribute that should be placed on top of a list of abilities they should have. It helps, you can't deny that, but there is a reason that none of the above have been overly successful commercially. They overpower the songs.
However, and remember it is all subjective to ones own personal taste here, I prefer a solid melody to be paired up with a decent driving solo at some point in the song.
Obviously the genre of music that usually is at the top of my listening lists are arena rock bands and typically they all share that trait.
But I freely admit that it is very subjective. It sounds like RWB & I could easily sit down and listen to the same thing and be happy as to where I have a feeling that Constellations would probably want to blow my IPod up if we were both listening to it.
No to me the great guitar players are the ones who enhance a song and not try to plow through it.
That is why some of the more underrated players of all time were from a couple of bands that often times had more commercial appeal than they did appeal to the rock audience.
But both Lindsey Buckingham & Neal Schon are superb guitar players who both tailored their playing to fit the style of the band they were in. I've heard both live in concert and I've heard both rip of solo's that would equal solo's from any of the great guitar players of that generation. But they both knew that most people aren't going to buy music like that.
So I still believe that grunge pretty much killed off the guitar player in popular music. I mean for God's sake the only real guitar player in popular music left out there today at all is Orianthi (and for the record she is unbelievable).
But in the 70's & 80's the radio was filled with great guitar players who played commercially successful music.
Also on a side note, again to Grunge's credit, the hair bands had really started to lose their way musically as well as song wise and there hadn't been a good guitar player produced by that genre since Mick Mars (who btw is from Terre Haute) and in truth Motley Crue was around for the influx of metal music in the early 80's well before the Dr. Feelgood crap.
Now having said al of that I feel bad for listing Joe Satriani with the Malmsteen (Vai to for that matter but more so for Joe) and with that in mind I will now provide proof positive that there is a God. If there wasn't music like this wouldn't be possible.
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With Radiohead being my favorite band, I don't know how I didn't think of this. Maybe because they have expanded so much I forget they started in the grunge era. They were even compared to Nirvana and used producers that worked with Pixies and Dino Jr. But anyway, I just wanted to show a popular guitar player in Radiohead's Greenwood!
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I've pretty much dropped out of this thread, but I was listening to 90s on 9 on Sirius today and the DJ goes, and next up the band that you think of when you think about rock in the 90s...Pearl Jam.
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you did get me
London to host special exhibition to celebrate 20th anniversary of Nirvana's 'Nevermind'
A special exhibition to celebrate 20 years of Nirvana's 'Nevermind' is set for September.
Alongside photos, memorabilia and various artifacts relating to the band and the album, the exhibition will also display contributions from fans, which they are currently sourcing. Set to 'highlight the unique relationship the band enjoyed with their UK fans', people are being asked to send photos and descriptions of anything they think would work well in the exhibition to the curators. For more information on how to contribute, visit Nirvanaexhibition.com.
The exhibition will take place at The Loading Bay Gallery on Brick Lane. Exact dates are yet to be released, but it will take place in September, the same month that 'Nevermind' is reissued. The Super Deluxe Edition of the album will be released on September 19, and comes with a raft of rarities and remixes across its four CDs and one DVD.
These include the full remastered album, accompanying studio and live B-sides, rehearsal takes and the first full official release of producer Butch Vig's pre-album demos recorded at Smart Studios.
A new perspective on the album is offered in the form of the 'Devonshire Mixes' - a Vig mix of the album that differs to original mixer Andy Wallace's version.
Live recordings of BBC sessions and the band's 1991 show at the Paramount Theatre in hometown Seattle - the only known Nirvana gig shot to film - are also included, along with a 90-page bound book of rare photos and artefacts from the 'Nevermind' era.
Only 10,000 copies of the Super Deluxe Version of the album will be released in North America, with another 30,000 for the rest of the world, including the UK.
'Nevermind' has sold over 30 million copies in the two decades since its release. It was the second studio album from Nirvana, the iconic grunge band made up of the late Kurt Cobain, Krist Novoselic and Foo Fighters mainman Dave Grohl.Comment
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