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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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TWG: Mafia- Day #9 RIP Market Square

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  • TWG: Mafia- Day #9 RIP Market Square

    “I bet you're all wondering why I've called you back here. Btowncolt is dead. His body was found pumped full of lead by the strip joint, Little Bo Peep's. I'll give you one guess on who done it”.

    We all knew who done it. It was the same man that put a hit out on my father a few weeks ago. Caine S. Lupus. He was Capone's right-hand man's right hand man. He was a fat little **** who did as he was told. He talked a lot of ****, but sent his boys to do his dirty work. His boys were never alone. They would walk the streets at night in packs. They were dogs, every last one of them. My family and I referred to them as The Wolves.

    I've had a beef with Lupus ever since he showed up in the Windy City. You see, my father owned a speakeasy called Market Square. It was the most successful joint in all of Illinois, and still is thanks to me and btown. Rumor has it that Capone himself wanted in on the action, but my father wanted none of it. He was concerned that if the speakeasy were to ever lose business and he couldn't pay Capone, that something would happen to me as a result. A few months later, Lupus and his pack shows up and starts causing trouble. A few weeks ago, my father was gunned down in the city market. Three men were arrested for it, but they got off clean after Lupus testified that they were with him at his joint all night. The boys got off like nothing ever happened. Thing is, I wasn't about to let my father's death go so quickly. That miserable, fat ******* would pay for what he did.

    I decided to track down my childhood friend, btowncolt. He was at his family's farm in Indiana, that boy sure did love his sheep. I explained the situation, he said he knew a made man that could help us out. After paying btown's man off we were able to become made “men” ourselves. We quickly formed a family of our own; mainly a bunch of guys, and a gal, who also had a beef with Lupus and his family. We are the type of family that doesn't mess with you, until you **** with us. Then you better pray that God takes you up for a visit before we get ahold of you. Our first act as a family was gunning down the three accused men in front of their houses for all of their families and neighbors to see. I felt I had avenged my father, but I wasn't ready for the consequences.

    The day before he was whacked, btown came to me with some news. Apparently a couple of wolves had approached him with an enticing offer. Lupus was willing to make btown his right-hand man if he helped Lupus ice me and take over the speak easy. Btown wasn't no sap and said he'd definitely consider it; they gave him 24 hours to come up with an answer. His death led me to believe that btown said no. This news however made me suspicious. What if Lupus had paid off some of my guys already? What if there were wolves in my family right now? One could be tending bar even as I sit here thinking.

    In my paranoid state, I hired my own private investigator to look into members of my family. The P.I. reports to me only and is paid in cash. Not even my bodyguard, Pig Nash, knows about my acquaintance. I've also hired a doctor, in secret as well, to save my family members if The Wolves ever got to them.

    “I have a feeling that there will be more deaths in the future. Starting today. Someone has got to pay for my best friend's death. Who will it be? You wiseguys figure it out and get back to me, by sundown.”

    Pig Nash - Killed in drive-by Day 5 (one of us)
    Belli - Gunned down by wolves Day 7 (one of us)
    Sweabs - Damn dirty wolf!
    Trader Joe - Shot by Boss Hogg by btown's grave Night 4 (one of us)
    Toxic Avenger - Gunned down by wolves Night 1 (one of us)
    Sookie - Died fighting the wolves Day 9
    SoupisGood- Damn dirty wolf!
    Since86- Gunned down by food cart Day 3 (our own crooked cop)
    Dab - Filled with lead by N8R, Merz and Boss Hogg on Day 5 (Damn dirty wolf!)
    cdash - Shot by Boss Hogg in alley Day 7 (one of us)
    flox - Shot by Boss Hogg in Market Square (our own P.I.)
    kuq - Sleepin with the fishes Night 6 (one of our own)
    SycamoreKen - Shot by VAPacersfan Day 9 (one of us)
    Los Angeles- Gunned down outside Lupus's joint on Night 2 (D*mn dirty wolf!)
    N8R - Choked in apartment hallway Night 8 (one of us)
    VAPacersFan- *****in traitor (infected human)
    billbradley - Hung by his stethoscope Night 6 (Our doctor)
    Anthem- Exiled by Ms. Piggy back to England Night 8 (one of us)
    GO!!!!! - Gunned down outside Market Square Day 4 (one of us)
    Trophy - Slug between the eyes Day 1 (one of us)
    Merz - Whereabouts unkown Day 9 (one of us)

    Basic Rules:

    1.) There are 21 players. 4 wolves, 1 seer (private investigator), 1 angel (doctor), and 15 humans.

    2.) Wolves confer and eat one person every "night."

    3.) The seer finds out the role (human, angel, or wolf) of one person every "night."

    4.) The angel protects one person at night from being eaten. If the wolves select the same person as the angel, the next morning the story must reflect the fact that person was "saved" by the angel and no one died during the night.

    5.) Humans vote for someone to die during the "day." They may change their vote once per day. The person with the most votes at the end of the day is sent to die and the story reveals what that person was (wolf, seer, angel, or human).

    6.) Wolves win by outnumbering the humans during the "day" and over running the town and eating everyone remaining.

    7.) The humans (and the seer and angel) win by killing all of the wolves.

    8.)The seer, angel, or wolves may not reveal themselves in the thread.

    9.)Please do not use the forum software to win the game. Hicks hasn't gotten back to us about appearing offline, so we'll have to use the honor system in this game.

    10.)No posting Pms on the thread! They're supposed to be private. You can talk about the content, but no copying and pasting the actual message. Also, try and work the content into the story.

    11.)During this game we're gonna try something new. One time during the game, the wolves can “infect” someone of their choosing. If someone is infected they become a wolf. If the angel protects that person, then the infection doesn't happen and the wolves are screwed. No redos! I'll make it clear in the story when the infection has happened. It'll be your job to figure out who they got.

    12.)Once you're dead you can't post any of your predictions or assumptions of who's a wolf, seer, or angel. You can post a “goodbye story” though. Dead players can not contact people via PM that are still playing.

    Congratulations to the winners of the game. The wolves: Sweabs, SoupisGood, and VAPacersfan. You guys laid low and had everyone pointing at everyone, but you. Great job.
    Last edited by Ms. Piggy; 07-22-2010, 08:03 PM.
    “Take nothing away from their Big Three, what they have going, but we’ll take a big five any day. That’s what we have.”- Paul George

  • #2
    Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

    I guess I should clarify for any first time players: if you haven't gotten a PM from me then you're a human
    “Take nothing away from their Big Three, what they have going, but we’ll take a big five any day. That’s what we have.”- Paul George


    • #3
      Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

      [ooc]So we are in day mode at the moment I am assuming?[/ooc]

      These fucken wolves think theys can mess wit me? I will fucken kill every last one of those sons a bitches. I need to wack one of these goomba today. Who has switched to these wolf mother fuckers and who is on my side? I will mark my first rat SoupIsGood will be my choice. That mother fucker be too quiet. If he speak up I may change my vote.


      • #4
        Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

        Thay started out trying to make me's an edoocated man. My family straight out of a litle town in Indiana, they sent me down to the big school in Bloomington for college, but books was never for me. I couldn't handle the grammars and speling and I had troubles readin'. I always had a way with numbers though, I could cook a book with the bests of them, make the money trail disappears ya see...You give me a dollar and I'll give you 100 back by the end of the daa, and the suckers that I took it from ain't gonna be nones the wiser...

        I was good, I was the best even, at whats I did. That's whys the godmother, Ms. Piggy and her partner btowncolt, approched me about being the families "accountant". I cook the books, I run a small time casinoe out of the back of the speek eesy, and I also got a bits of a reputation for havin' some stickie fingers. Bottom line, I make 'em money, and I don't get caught, that means I got value.

        Now they got btowncolt, time for vengience maybee I can tracks my books and see some fishy spendin' and find who might be responsable for this.

        -From the Journal of Trader Joe


        • #5
          Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

          [ooc] Yeah. We're in day mode. Voting on who killed btown. [/ooc]
          “Take nothing away from their Big Three, what they have going, but we’ll take a big five any day. That’s what we have.”- Paul George


          • #6
            Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

            so we got ourselves a couple of snitches laying around us...these little puppies think that they're tough eh? well I'll show them who is tough...Number 13 has never been lucky for me...and I don't expect it to be lucky right now...Ken is our 13th guy...I say we whack him. my vote goes to Ken.


            • #7
              Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

              The wolves are about to find out what kinda gang they're messin' with. That kinda action might work on the lower east side of Manhattan, but on the corner of Clark and Belmont, THIS is how its done:

              “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

              “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird


              • #8
                Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

                I casted my vote for that wise guy Trophy because he's numba 19 on my list and dat's my luckiest number
                Last edited by Trader Joe; 07-04-2010, 04:51 PM.


                • #9
                  Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

                  (ooc)Ms. Piggy I'd suggest if you haven't done it already to send a PM to everyone just to let them know the game has started. (/ooc)


                  • #10
                    Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

                    SoupisGood- 1 (N8R)
                    SycamoreKen- 1 (bellisimo)
                    Trophy- 1 (Trader Joe
                    “Take nothing away from their Big Three, what they have going, but we’ll take a big five any day. That’s what we have.”- Paul George


                    • #11
                      Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

                      I have no idea what to do. Ms. Piggy doesn't want me talking too much. But now I have a say in who dies? I don't have a problem killing people when they step out of line. But these are my brothers. I guess I will vote for Trophy. He doesn't talk much either. That's my deal.
                      Play Mafia!


                      • #12
                        Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

                        Sweebs keaps runing around talkin' bout this ancient Greak group of warriorz caled the Sackred Bandd. Says he's a homoesecksual and btown was his lovur. Don't knows what to makes of dis.

                        -From the Journal of Trader Joe


                        • #13
                          Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

                          SoupisGood- 1 (N8R)
                          SycamoreKen- 1 (bellisimo)
                          Trophy- 2 (Trader Joe, Pig Nash)
                          “Take nothing away from their Big Three, what they have going, but we’ll take a big five any day. That’s what we have.”- Paul George


                          • #14
                            Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

                            Pig Nash posted this in the rules thread. Go to User CP, Edit Options, Check the box for "Invisible Mode", then save changes.


                            • #15
                              Re: TWG: Mafia- Day 1: The Howling Twenties

                              Well, today has been a hell of a ****ing day.

                              Right before btown came out, he made two confessions that I completly was blindsided by:

                              1. He has had a male lover for years.

                              2. I am his son, though clearly I did not get his brains or his bronze.

                              Whatever, at least I know my way around a pistol. Well except for that one time I shot my foot.

                              I have no clue who to vote for right now, but since I think mob mentality will work out best I am going to go with Ken.

                              We gotta catch this asshats, and we gotta pay em pay!