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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Peck
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    Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
    Navigating hospitals here in still a massive PITA

    Wife and I were riding ATV’s last week and we had an accident. ATV flipped three times (or so I am told) and landed on my side.

    We went into the local trauma hospital and I could not see my wife as she was in the female ER room. Weirdly enough I was given a mask but she never was. I still dont remember anything from Saturday or Sunday. I remember 5 minutes before the accident and the next thing I remember is waking up in the ambulance going to the ED

    My wife just got an air ambulance to Germany and so far they said she has a fractured ankle, knee and shoulder. She also has a torn or ripped ACL and MCL. I had a concussion (I think, they made me take some test thing this morning) and bruised or broken ribs (waiting on a CT and X-ray result)

    I was not allowed to see my wife after I was discharged. They let me see her when she was being discharged to go to the airport and even that was only for a few seconds.

    Also was super weird in the Romanian hospital. No food is served. So family has to bring you all your meals, water, and toilet paper. And she could not walk so they had her wearing a diaper and the nurses changed that. I guess in Germany they have some special bed she can use to roll over to the toilet.

    On the plus side I could not sleep the other night so I woke up and used the Wifi in the ED to watch the game basketball. So I got to watch one game (even though it was on at 0300)

    MMore good news as I was this typing message. The doctors came in and said I dont have anything wrong with my neck, spine, or back. So thank goodness the company required all of us to wear helmets
    Sorry to hear about your accident. I hope your wife has a complete and total recovery.

    From 1994 to 2019 I worked at America's largest off road sanctioned ATV race and I can tell you that I have seen every single type of ATV accident you can imagine. They are no fun and I was always amazed that people would willingly get on these things and jump them sometimes 20-30' in the air going down a 45 degree hill. Helmets are brain savers that is for certain.

    Hope for a speedy recovery for you.

    P.S. from about 2004-08 Rik Smits would participate in the motorcycle portion of the race (we had both ATV & Motorcycle and ultimately started to run UTV's), you haven't lived until you see a 7'4" guy run his bike through the woods. We always wondered how we would transport him if he got injured with a broken leg.
    Last edited by Peck; 06-21-2022, 12:47 AM.

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  • Gamble1
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    Sounds absolutely awful man. Hopefully your wife gets good news as well. My wife has treated many ATV patient's and many have spinal cord injuries.

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  • vapacersfan
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    Navigating hospitals here in still a massive PITA

    Wife and I were riding ATV’s last week and we had an accident. ATV flipped three times (or so I am told) and landed on my side.

    We went into the local trauma hospital and I could not see my wife as she was in the female ER room. Weirdly enough I was given a mask but she never was. I still dont remember anything from Saturday or Sunday. I remember 5 minutes before the accident and the next thing I remember is waking up in the ambulance going to the ED

    My wife just got an air ambulance to Germany and so far they said she has a fractured ankle, knee and shoulder. She also has a torn or ripped ACL and MCL. I had a concussion (I think, they made me take some test thing this morning) and bruised or broken ribs (waiting on a CT and X-ray result)

    I was not allowed to see my wife after I was discharged. They let me see her when she was being discharged to go to the airport and even that was only for a few seconds.

    Also was super weird in the Romanian hospital. No food is served. So family has to bring you all your meals, water, and toilet paper. And she could not walk so they had her wearing a diaper and the nurses changed that. I guess in Germany they have some special bed she can use to roll over to the toilet.

    On the plus side I could not sleep the other night so I woke up and used the Wifi in the ED to watch the game basketball. So I got to watch one game (even though it was on at 0300)

    MMore good news as I was this typing message. The doctors came in and said I dont have anything wrong with my neck, spine, or back. So thank goodness the company required all of us to wear helmets

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  • idioteque
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    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    Well, my wife and I went on an anniversary cruise that we had planned for last year but was postponed due to covid last week. To get on the ship you had to be double vaccinated and have a negative covid test the night before.

    Well reading online the cruise ships social media page it looks like a good 1/3 came off of the ship and tested positive, including my wife. I somehow have continued to test negative and yes my wife is symptomatic (flu like symptoms).

    This ship was immaculately clean, they were constantly disinfecting, the entire staff wore KN95 mask religiously.

    I say all of that to say that while the virus has mutated downwards, I believe, it is still very much with us.
    Yeah. The spread of COVID is so weird in that way. My grandfather got it, he's in his mid-80's but healthy and active for his age, he had mild symptoms. My grandmother is not so healthy and we worried she would get it from him as they obviously live together, but she never tested positive.

    Good on you for traveling. I want to take my wife to Paris but I don't know. Not really worried about COVID as I am luckily in decent shape and healthy, but worried about the whole quarantine aspect if I did test positive. My parents graciously agreed to watch my daughter for a week if we went, but I'd hate for them to have to watch her for ten extra days if we tested positive and had to quarantine there.

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  • Bball
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    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    Well, my wife and I went on an anniversary cruise that we had planned for last year but was postponed due to covid last week. To get on the ship you had to be double vaccinated and have a negative covid test the night before.

    Well reading online the cruise ships social media page it looks like a good 1/3 came off of the ship and tested positive, including my wife. I somehow have continued to test negative and yes my wife is symptomatic (flu like symptoms).

    This ship was immaculately clean, they were constantly disinfecting, the entire staff wore KN95 mask religiously.

    I say all of that to say that while the virus has mutated downwards, I believe, it is still very much with us.
    Sounds like that ship was a giant peach tree dish....


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  • Gamble1
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    We won't get rid of covid for any length of time. It is one of the most infectious pathogens around. In my opinion mitigate the risk of disease and live e a healthy life style and the vast majority will be fine.

    I am still waiting on my optional 2 nd booster but I am not sure it will do much to prevent infections. My kids just got boosted which gave me some reassurance for our summer travel plans.



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  • dal9
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    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    Well, my wife and I went on an anniversary cruise that we had planned for last year but was postponed due to covid last week. To get on the ship you had to be double vaccinated and have a negative covid test the night before.

    Well reading online the cruise ships social media page it looks like a good 1/3 came off of the ship and tested positive, including my wife. I somehow have continued to test negative and yes my wife is symptomatic (flu like symptoms).

    This ship was immaculately clean, they were constantly disinfecting, the entire staff wore KN95 mask religiously.

    I say all of that to say that while the virus has mutated downwards, I believe, it is still very much with us.
    well it's mutated plus of course the vax helps...but no question it is out there and spreading as people are becoming less cautious...

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  • Peck
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    Well, my wife and I went on an anniversary cruise that we had planned for last year but was postponed due to covid last week. To get on the ship you had to be double vaccinated and have a negative covid test the night before.

    Well reading online the cruise ships social media page it looks like a good 1/3 came off of the ship and tested positive, including my wife. I somehow have continued to test negative and yes my wife is symptomatic (flu like symptoms).

    This ship was immaculately clean, they were constantly disinfecting, the entire staff wore KN95 mask religiously.

    I say all of that to say that while the virus has mutated downwards, I believe, it is still very much with us.

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  • Peck
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    I hate to be that guy, but I thought I would pass along that while running the numbers for last week I saw a decent spike in positive covid 19 cases we transported. Haven't seen these types of numbers in months.

    The acuity is down, in other words they don't seem to be as sick as they were say a year ago, but it has had a decent increase.

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  • Gamble1
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    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    Too much to cut and paste, but this piece about vaccines and immunity seems to make sense to me. Anything in here that looks off to anyone (Gamble1)?
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...=pocket-newtab
    No that's pretty much on point. Vaccines to upper respiratory viruses are nortiously difficult and the reason is that viruses evolved to infect this area of the body. The thing with covid is also how fast the virus replicates to the point of being able to infect others. There are not many viruses that can do that.

    It mutating and gaining an advantage over a vaccine is nothing new. Basically you get sick from many types of viruses even if you have seen it before because you lost some immunity.

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  • Bball
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    Too much to cut and paste, but this piece about vaccines and immunity seems to make sense to me. Anything in here that looks off to anyone (Gamble1)?
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...=pocket-newtab

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  • Gamble1
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    So this Joe Rogan and Spotify mess is getting out of hand. People love to play with conspiracy theories and have weirdos on their show since it maintains an audience but the consequences are real. You anti science for so long you won't have them in the future generating the data to produce the cures.

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  • PacerDude
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    Originally posted by dal9 View Post

    "czech please"
    She czech'd out ??

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  • dal9
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    Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
    "czech please"

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  • Gamble1
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    So cases maybe going down but it is hard to tell. One theory out there is viral interference to explain the drop in cases overall for many viral respiratory infections not just omicron. If you haven't heard this before I will explain it real quick.

    Virus infects cell and the cell sends out signal to surrounding uninfected cells to beef up defenses. Those defenses persist for awhile after the person defeats the infection making it harder for other upper respiratory viruses to infect the host.

    This sort of reminds me of the Simpsons episode of Mr. Burns disease.

    https://vimeo.com/96581518


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