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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • In regards to GA

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/ge...rus/index.html

    A month since Georgia took some of the earliest and most extensive steps to reopen parts of its economy, Covid-19 cases have largely flattened in the state, albeit with a slight recent uptick.

    "The bad news is we are not seeing a reduction in transmission, but I don't see a spike in transmission," said Dr. Gerardo Chowell, professor of mathematical epidemiology at Georgia State University's School of Public Health.

    Data from the Georgia Department of Health shows that the seven-day moving average of coronavirus cases steadily declined from late April until mid-May, a reflection of the earlier stay-at-home order. The moving average of cases then flattened at just over 500 new cases per day, and the totals have risen slightly since May 12.
    Last month, after weeks of stay-at-home orders, Georgia allowed businesses like gyms, hair and nail salons and restaurants to reopen with certain restrictions in an attempt to restart its economy. Georgia was the first state to move so aggressively to reopen its economy and as such has come to represent the broader reopening movement.

    Some health experts worried that the reopening, combined with the state's limited testing capability, could lead to an increase in cases that could overwhelm hospitals, such as happened in Albany, Georgia, in the early days of the pandemic.

    So far, that fear has not been borne out. The preliminary data suggests that reopening has not led to a spike in cases -- but the virus has continued to steadily infect people and shows no signs of waning.

    "I'm proud of what we accomplished over the last several weeks, but we cannot rest on our laurels," Republican Gov. Brian Kemp said last week. "We need to further Some health experts worried that the reopening, combined with the state's limited testing capability, could lead to an increase in cases that could overwhelm hospitals, such as happened in Albany, Georgia, in the early days of the pandemic.

    So far, that fear has not been borne out. The preliminary data suggests that reopening has not led to a spike in cases -- but the virus has continued to steadily infect people and shows no signs of waning.

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    • https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...&ICID=ref_fark

      It would be hard to overstate the importance of developing a vaccine to Sars-CoV-2 – it’s seen as the fast track to a return to normal life. That’s why the health secretary, Matt Han****, said the UK was “throwing everything at it”.



      But while trials have been launched and manufacturing deals already signed – Oxford University is now recruiting 10,000 volunteers for the next phase of its research – ministers and their advisers have become noticeably more cautious in recent days.


      Earlier this week, England’s deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam said the words nobody wanted to hear: “We can’t be sure we will get a vaccine.”



      But he was right to be circumspect.



      Vaccines are simple in principle but complex in practice. The ideal vaccine protects against infection, prevents its spread, and does so safely. But none of this is easily achieved, as vaccine timelines show.



      More than 30 years after scientists isolated HIV, the virus that causes Aids, we have no vaccine. The dengue fever virus was identified in 1943, but the first vaccine was approved only last year, and even then amid concerns it made the infection worse in some people. The fastest vaccine ever developed was for mumps. It took four years.



      Scientists have worked on coronavirus vaccines before, so are not starting from scratch. Two coronaviruses have caused lethal outbreaks before, namely Sars and Mers, and vaccine research went ahead for both. But none have been licensed, partly because Sars fizzled out and Mers is regional to the Middle East. The lessons learned will help scientists create a vaccine for Sars-CoV-2, but there is still an awful lot to learn about the virus.



      A chief concern is that coronaviruses do not tend to trigger long-lasting immunity. About a quarter of common colds are caused by human coronaviruses, but the immune response fades so rapidly that people can become reinfected the next year.



      Researchers at Oxford University recently analysed blood from recovered Covid-19 patients and found that levels of IgG antibodies – those responsible for longer-lasting immunity – rose steeply in the first month of infection but then began to fall again.



      Last week, scientists at Rockefeller University in New York found that most people who recovered from Covid-19 without going into hospital did not make many killer antibodies against the virus.



      “That’s what is particularly challenging,” says Stanley Perlman, a veteran coronavirus researcher at the University of Iowa. “If the natural infection doesn’t give you that much immunity except when it’s a severe infection, what will a vaccine do? It could be better, but we don’t know.” If a vaccine only protects for a year, the virus will be with us for some time.

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      • I think it’s worth taking seriously but the reality is that this life is temporary anyway. While I get the concern and measures should be taken but no way am I for any more lock down. If we are careful lives will still be lost but at some pint you have to move on. Also I am not convinced we will see a disaster anyway. At least not dramatically worse than this. So afaic time to move on. I have dealt with more difficult things than death itself. That might weigh on my views as well.

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        • https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...&ICID=ref_fark

          For many people living with the crushing consequences of Covid-19, the summer offers a tantalizing possibility: If the coronavirus behaves like the seasonal flu, warm weather could substantially weaken the virus and allow normal life to resume. President Trump predicted exactly this outcome in February, claiming the virus would “miraculously” go away by April as temperatures rose.



          A new working paper tries to put that speculation to rest by tracking how weather and other environmental conditions, such as pollution, affect the virus’s spread around the world.



          The forecast from researchers is grim: Warm weather alone will not control the virus in America or abroad. Here are the results for the United States, showing weather on its own cannot meaningfully reduce infections to the rate of 1 new case per every infected person, the point by which the number of infections falls continuously.

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            • drew olanoff@yoda
              I’ve had cancer twice. This family is training their child to kill me.

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              • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                I think it’s worth taking seriously but the reality is that this life is temporary anyway. While I get the concern and measures should be taken but no way am I for any more lock down. If we are careful lives will still be lost but at some pint you have to move on. Also I am not convinced we will see a disaster anyway. At least not dramatically worse than this. So afaic time to move on. I have dealt with more difficult things than death itself. That might weigh on my views as well.

                100K deaths isn’t a disaster?


                U.S. deaths from wars, epidemics, attacks and disasters


                Pearl Harbor
                2,400
                9/11 terrorist attacks
                3,000
                1906 San Francisco earthquake
                3,000
                1900 Galveston hurricane
                8,000
                Korean War
                36,600
                Vietnam War
                58,200
                COVID-19
                98,500
                World War I
                116,500
                World War II
                405,500
                Spanish flu
                675,000

                https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...wars-disasters

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                • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post


                  100K deaths isn’t a disaster?


                  U.S. deaths from wars, epidemics, attacks and disasters


                  Pearl Harbor
                  2,400
                  9/11 terrorist attacks
                  3,000
                  1906 San Francisco earthquake
                  3,000
                  1900 Galveston hurricane
                  8,000
                  Korean War
                  36,600
                  Vietnam War
                  58,200
                  COVID-19
                  98,500
                  World War I
                  116,500
                  World War II
                  405,500
                  Spanish flu
                  675,000

                  https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...wars-disasters
                  Sure but 80,000 died in the 2018 flu. It is all subjective. In 1918 we list 675K with a fraction of today’s population. We a million deaths and I would classify that as a disaster in that context. Again nit saying it’s good but for those taking the long view we realize this thing is a temp gig.

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                  • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                    Sure but 80,000 died in the 2018 flu. It is all subjective. In 1918 we list 675K with a fraction of today’s population. We a million deaths and I would classify that as a disaster in that context. Again nit saying it’s good but for those taking the long view we realize this thing is a temp gig.
                    100K in 3 months vs 80K over the course of a year. Its not apples to apples bub. My GOSH....

                    A Vaccine in short time in my opinion is a Hail Mary play. Better to study Remdesivre + IV vitamin drips to find out the most effective treatment plan. If you can keep somebody off a ventilator with an early treatment plan then maybe this virus will just be something we run into occasionally through out our life just like the flu.
                    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                    • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                      Sure but 80,000 died in the 2018 flu. It is all subjective. In 1918 we list 675K with a fraction of today’s population. We a million deaths and I would classify that as a disaster in that context. Again nit saying it’s good but for those taking the long view we realize this thing is a temp gig.
                      80k in a year does not equal 100,000 in about 90 days. Really? come on man.

                      "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"

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                      • As I've said before I believe there were a lot of people who died of Covid-19 prior to wide spread testing so that number was probably under reported. However conversely I read today of a man who died of Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm that was leaking and had his surgery delayed twice because Hospitals were not doing any surgeries other than immediate life threatening surgeries. When the family got his death certificate today from the county it listed Covid-19 as the cause of death. So while Covid-19 certainly impacted his care ultimately it should not have been listed as his cause of death. So I believe right now the number is actually being over reported, even if just slightly.


                        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                        • Originally posted by Peck View Post
                          ……….... So while Covid-19 certainly impacted his care ultimately it should not have been listed as his cause of death. ………...
                          I've heard of quite a few other instances like this - and I'm not involved in any medical field. Something about the state getting $$$ for each Covid death ?? Someone mentioned that in the convo while I was paying half-attention. Not sure of the truth of it or anything.

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                          • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                            Personally I will be shocked if they don't get a spike in cases in the next month. Something I have been considering is when the early fall hits the number of active cases will determine a lot on how far the hospitals will be pushed beyond their surge capacities. Say you have a high number ending in the summer then basically the state will basically be primed for a very bad outbreak in the fall and winter months.

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                            • Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post

                              Personally I will be shocked if they don't get a spike in cases in the next month. Something I have been considering is when the early fall hits the number of active cases will determine a lot on how far the hospitals will be pushed beyond their surge capacities. Say you have a high number ending in the summer then basically the state will basically be primed for a very bad outbreak in the fall and winter months.
                              It could happen, but apparently hasn't been a big issue considering they have been opened up now for over a month now. Hospitalizations are down more than 50% since the beginning of May. There has been a slight uptick over the last couple days, so if there is a spike it really has to be coming very soon. But if we go on for another couple weeks I'm not sure I understand why one would expect a spike going into the summer. What basis would there be for that after say 7 weeks being open?

                              If we go another couple weeks in Georgia without a noticeable spike and upward trend line, I really hope the rest of the US starts taking some notes.

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                              • Originally posted by Hoop View Post
                                80k in a year does not equal 100,000 in about 90 days. Really? come on man.
                                I'm not saying this virus isn't worse than the flu. I'm saying, so far, we are not experiencing anything close to the 1918 pandemic and the nation survived that and thrived. The population in 1918 was right around 100M. We are more than 3 times as large now. Adjusted for today's population, over 2 million people would have to die for it to be as bad as the 1918 flu.

                                I am also seeing that the slope has been negative in the US for deaths since April 21st, over a month ago. I stated some time ago I was going to call it on May 20th and IMO the virus is going to continue a slow trend line down through the summer months well into September. We may well not have much of an issue in August.

                                Unfortunate for Democrats, early November isn't deep enough in the flu season to help them. By the time we get deep into the summer, even liberal states will loosen up because their people will not put up with being constrained that long.

                                I think it's best we all hope the virus just disappears. I don't think it will but let's hope it feels pretty safe a few months from now.

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