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  • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

    Ok. But as for your other post are you saying that liberals don’t blame guns for deaths? You think that is extreme yet millions of liberals believe it?

    This is way off topic and not COVID-19 related.

    To answer your question, however, I never said that. I simply said I don't agree higher firearms purchases = more death.

    (If we had a political forum I could go on for paragraphs about my opinion on guns. It is not at all relevant to this thread but as someone who grew up around firearms I have strong opinions about firearms and firearm safety. I also respect and understand there are people who 100% disagree with me and hate weapons.)

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    • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
      I love all the TDS articles and posts that spell bleach 'bleech'
      Yeah - it's just as good as the grammar by some of these alleged 'intelligent' posters here. How can anything some of these people say be taken seriously when they clearly don't have a grasp on the language ??

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      • https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...s/?arc404=true

        Darlene Krawetz, on what life becomes when covid-19 won’t go away

        I’ve hardly moved from this couch in weeks, but right now my heart rate monitor says I’m at 132. That’s double my normal. That’s like if I’m climbing a mountain. How come? Nobody knows. Nobody ever knows. And why has my fever been spiking again? Do I need to go back to the ER? I’m on week six of this crap, and I still don’t know if I’m getting better or worse, but people want to act like the threat is behind us?



        Wait, no, that’s not right. This is actually week eight for me. I started getting symptoms right before New York shut down. I mix up my dates. My mind is all foggy. I’ve been a nurse for 30 years, and now I can’t even remember if my last Tylenol was five minutes or five hours ago. It feels like electricity is burning through my spine, and nobody can tell me why. It’s like I’m sucking air through a straw. When I stand up, my ears start ringing until dizziness forces me back down. Every symptom is a whole new mystery. This virus is unpredictable and so, so violent.

        I’m up to 140 now. See? It’s relentless. How long can a heart last like this? The palpitations come a few times every hour and go on for a minute or more. It’s just banging, banging, banging, banging.

        It hurts too much to talk. I’ll try again later. I have to lie down and breathe through it. That’s what they tell me to do.

        * * *

        The next morning, Wednesday, May 6

        [Sign up for our Coronavirus Updates newsletter to track the outbreak. All stories linked in the newsletter are free to access.]

        My heart rate is back down now to 105. That’s nothing to celebrate. That’s still considered abnormal, but it’s typical now for me.

        I didn’t use to be like this. I’m healthy. I’m a vegetarian. I’m only 52. I’ve got grown kids in the military and a teenager at home, and we hike and kayak. I’m a positive, hard-charging person. Maybe I got it at the VA hospital where I work, but we didn’t have any confirmed cases yet. Or my son might have had an exposure and given it to me. Who knows? It’s one more mystery. I didn’t even notice I was sick until another nurse asked why I was coughing. I figured it was allergies. Take some Zyrtec and get on with it. Hardly anybody here in Syracuse had covid at that point. What were the odds?

        Then, after I tested positive, I thought I’d get a mild case. I told my husband: “Relax. I’m fine.” I don’t have diabetes. I don’t have hypertension, COPD or anything like that. I thought I could stay home, take care of myself and be back at work in a few weeks.

        Right away I started running a temperature of 103, and the Tylenol couldn’t control it. I was shaking and cursing all day in bed, and the symptoms spread from there. I was head-to-toe exhausted. I wanted the whole world to let me alone. I had equipment at home from my nursing work, and I started checking my vitals and saw my blood pressure shooting up. I’ve never had that. I’d get up to shower and start gasping for air. My son was also covid-positive, and he ran a high fever and recovered within a week while I kept on getting worse. Maybe because I’m older? Or because I used to be a smoker? You can’t get a definitive answer on anything with this. I started coughing to the point of throwing up. I coughed until I was incontinent. My lips were chapped from dehydration. I had headaches. Migraines. Heartburn. Rashes. I lost 16 pounds in the first few weeks. I would lie down at night after taking melatonin and Benadryl, soaked in sweat and terrified of what might be coming next. What if I fall asleep and stop breathing? More Benadryl. More melatonin. Maybe try a Xanax. I’d lie there for hours but it was nonstop insomnia. I’d turn the TV to Lifetime for a distraction, but I couldn’t make sense of what they were saying.

        One day, my son needed money to buy groceries. I said I’d give him $80, but I couldn’t count it out. I couldn’t do the math. I handed him $50, then $70. I asked him: “Is this really happening right now or is this a hallucination?” He took the cash and counted it himself. He begged me to get help.

        I went to urgent care. The X-rays showed pneumonia, so they told me to go to the ER. I didn’t want to risk a secondary infection at the hospital, and I knew they didn’t have any magic treatment for this virus, but I couldn’t take care of myself. There wasn’t any choice. I wrote down my end-of-life wishes, and I had my son drop me at the ER.

        I’m having another palpitation. Hang on. Are these panic attacks? I never had them before. It feels like my heart is trying to jump out of my chest.

        Breathe. Stay calm. What is there to be calm about? It’s up over 150 now. Something is really wrong with me. I need to go rest. I need to figure this out.

        * * *

        A few hours later

        Okay. I’m a little better. It’s hour by hour. I’m not sure I can handle it again if I have to go back to the hospital. That first stay lasted 10 days, or at least that’s what they told me. I couldn’t tell days apart. I had a little glass isolation room with a curtain they kept closed. There was nothing to see out the window except a parking garage across the street. I couldn’t have visitors, and most of the doctors and nurses were afraid to stay in the room. It was okay. I was too sick to talk and too scared to feel lonely. I appreciate what they did. They were honest about what they didn’t know, and they tried. They kept throwing stuff at the wall to see what might stick.

        They gave me a malaria drug, but it did absolutely nothing. They gave me an antibiotic for pneumonia, but I still couldn’t breathe without 15 liters of oxygen. They tried vitamin C, magnesium, shots of blood thinner, baby aspirin, Tums, multivitamins, Xanax, cough syrup with codeine. It was like fixing a car when you don’t know what’s broken. They gave me inhalers and breathing exercises to do every hour, but my oxygen level kept dropping. They wanted to put me on life support, but I was afraid I’d never come off. The doctor came in and said: “We have a team ready to revive you in case you start to code. We’re going to watch you closely.” Watching was all anybody could do. Then, one morning, my fever started to go down. Nobody knew why that happened either. But it stayed down for 36 hours, and they said I could go home.

        Now I’ve got my oxygen on a long extension cord. I can make it to the kitchen or the bathroom if I’m feeling good, but usually I stay here in the den. My husband never caught it, so we’re staying apart. He works as a manager at Wegmans, and if he got sick, we might be out on the street. The $1,200 stimulus went to rent and hospital co-pays, and now we’re burning through our savings. I try not to think about it. I watch the news and check my vitals, but they’re always bad. My family stands in the doorway to visit sometimes, and other people text or call. “Are you feeling better yet?” It’s like they’re becoming impatient. They want to feel safe going out. We managed to buckle down for a while, but now it’s getting nice outside, and people need to work. The deniers and the protesters are coming out. One of my relatives went on Facebook and wrote that this whole virus is overblown, or maybe even a hoax. People want to minimize.

        “Are you better yet? Why aren’t you better yet?”

        I don’t know. I don’t know anything. My brain keeps racing with unanswered questions. Are my lungs scarred? Is my heart damaged? Can I get sick again? Will I be hiking the Adirondacks this summer or lugging this oxygen tank from the den to the bathroom for the rest of my life?

        I hate this virus. It’s been two months of uncertainty and I don’t think I can take any more. Why are my legs burning? Why is my skin so hot? I need answers. I need help.

        * * *

        Darlene Krawetz in a Syracuse, N.Y., hospital in April.

        The next morning, Thursday, May 7

        I’m back at the hospital.

        My fever won’t come down. The doctors say I have blood clots on my lungs and a mass on one of my organs. They’re trying to figure it out. There’s no timeline and no prognosis. All I know is they’re admitting me. I’ve been crying my eyes out. The morphine is making me in a fog. When will this damn thing let me alone?

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        • Man have I got some questions about that photo from above. Why is her hair pulled across her face like that? Why is she on a simple mask as opposed to an NRB mask or even just a nasal cannula? Why is the elastic band on the top of her head instead of being placed behind her head? Again, why is she on a simple mask that will aerosolize her breathing at a time that the CDC had already recommended to do nothing to aerosolize the virus, going so far as to tell all health care providers to not even intubate or give breathing treatments if at all avoidable. Why is her electrode placed on top of another electrode and then the lead wire is placed on the electrode not directly touching her skin? For that matter whoever placed her electrodes did a lazy *** job of doing so.

          I'm not making any judgement's on that photo but man it seems staged to get optimal impact to me.


          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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          • Originally posted by Peck View Post
            Man have I got some questions about that photo from above. Why is her hair pulled across her face like that? Why is she on a simple mask as opposed to an NRB mask or even just a nasal cannula? Why is the elastic band on the top of her head instead of being placed behind her head? Again, why is she on a simple mask that will aerosolize her breathing at a time that the CDC had already recommended to do nothing to aerosolize the virus, going so far as to tell all health care providers to not even intubate or give breathing treatments if at all avoidable. Why is her electrode placed on top of another electrode and then the lead wire is placed on the electrode not directly touching her skin? For that matter whoever placed her electrodes did a lazy *** job of doing so.

            I'm not making any judgement's on that photo but man it seems staged to get optimal impact to me.
            I will make a judgment. It's called fake news.

            It's not that the virus isn't real and isn't dangerous. It's not that people on the right don't want to be careful too...or at least the vast majority. It's that the left wants to take the narrative to the highest level to defeat Trump. That's all they do. I get that. This is why I pay attention to the death rates as we open up. It's one piece of information that might be accurate.

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            • Mass Hunger, death, and unemployment, totalitarian government overreach . . .

              This is exactly what the country would be like at all times with a Bernie Sanders presidency.

              Socialism is a pandemic without the virus.



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              • I believe the current IHME model is building in some seasonality into its projections, so this would certainly be bad news with those projections currently at 137,000 dead by August.
                Caveat... Unless I misheard the director when he spoke on this (metrics that go into the most recent models) the other night in an interview...
                Last edited by Bball; 05-10-2020, 04:12 PM.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                • Georgia's winning.

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                  • It's been 16 days since Georgia opened up. That's a fair bit of time given how contagious this virus is supposed to be. Still, what Mass posted is promising but I'm not yet comfortable to "call it" at this point. I think I said by May 20th and no sooner.

                    If we don't see a spike in Georgia by May 20th, the rest of the country needs to adjust. All kinds of people may be due for a sizeable plate of crow to eat.

                    I hope the media doesn't cause more death by causing liberal states to keep locked down when it doesn't help.

                    Again, I'm not yet comfortable saying Georgia is the way. But it's looking more like that every day.

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                    • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post


                      This is way off topic and not COVID-19 related.

                      To answer your question, however, I never said that. I simply said I don't agree higher firearms purchases = more death.

                      (If we had a political forum I could go on for paragraphs about my opinion on guns. It is not at all relevant to this thread but as someone who grew up around firearms I have strong opinions about firearms and firearm safety. I also respect and understand there are people who 100% disagree with me and hate weapons.)
                      It is not off topic at all. The virus led to the highest ever spike in gun sales: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52189349

                      Many, many people in this country will tell you that guns kill people. If they are right about that, that means more death. Yet if the nation didn't lock down and freak out over it, people might not buy as many weapons.

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                      • POS Pence to self isolate, been covered by blood didnt help I guess

                        BREAKING scoop: Vice President Mike Pence is self-isolating away from the White House after an aide was diagnosed with coronavirus on Friday, per several people familiar with the situation. Pence has repeatedly tested negative for Covid-19, including today, I’m told.

                        https://twitter.com/jenniferjjacobs/...664243714?s=21
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...or-the-covid19

                          We’ve discussed numerous times this question of, how deadly is COVID19? Or to put it more technically, what is the infection fatality rate (IFR) for the disease? What percentage of people who get infected die from it?

                          There are a host of technical factors and data we don’t yet have that go into answering this question. But I want to share with you something I just happened upon. If you look at the current New York State serology study and use an apples to apples comparison of the COVID19 death toll in New York City and New York state, it generates an IFR that is basically identical. For the state it’s .88% and for the city it’s .87%.






                          Now, I don’t suggest that this is a definitive number. This is something that will take years and lots of research and analysis to ascertain. But here for the first time we have data, albeit preliminary and wobbly, for the variables that make up the calculation.

                          Here’s my work.

                          The state serology study (as of May 2nd) has tested approximately 15,000 people across the state and found that 12.3% state residents have antibodies and 19.9% in New York City. If we apply those percentages to the 2019 Census estimates of the respective populations we get 2.428M infections in the state as a whole and 1.671M for the city.

                          COVID19 antibodies tests are new and many are not terribly reliable. But New York state appears to be using one that is much more reliable – one that the state created. New York’s high prevalence of COVID19 also makes it more possible to deal statistically with false positives. As we’ve discussed elsewhere, in states where the prevalence is similar to the rate of false positives your results basically don’t tell you anything.




                          Now here is a critical point. New York City is one of the few jurisdictions releasing mortality data for confirmed cases and “probable” ones. This means deaths with a lab confirmed COVID19-positive test and those diagnosed on the basis of symptoms but no test. The combined number is almost certainly closer to the accurate death toll. But New York State, like virtually every other place in the country, is only releasing the lab confirmed number. To do this right we need an apples to apples comparison. So here I will use the lab-confirmed numbers for both jurisdictions.

                          This gives us …

                          21,478 / 2,428,000 = .88%
                          14,482 / 1,671,000 = .87%

                          If we used New York City’s combined number of confirmed and probable deaths, the rate would be 1.18%. That is likely closer to the ‘true’ number. But again, the point here was to see if the serology data and mortality data pointed to a similar rate in both jurisdictions.

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                          • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post


                            Many, many people in this country will tell you that guns kill people. If they are right about that, that means more death.
                            Only in 'Murca....

                            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                            Yet if the nation didn't lock down and freak out over it, people might not buy as many weapons.
                            The people running out buying out more gats due to covid are the types that will use any excuse to stock up anyway....

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                            • The latest news is that Pence isn't self isolating. He tested negative again today. Even if he was, why does that even matter? Some of you hope he gets it and is put on a vent, amirite?

                              Even better in the left's perspective...they would love Trump to get the virus and die. No?

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                              • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                                The latest news is that Pence isn't self isolating. He tested negative again today. Even if he was, why does that even matter? Some of you hope he gets it and is put on a vent, amirite?

                                Even better in the left's perspective...they would love Trump to get the virus and die. No?
                                i love how worked up you get about liberals supposedly wishing death on trump/pence/georgia/texas/the usa, while it's your side that is doing all it can to bring about more death

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