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This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

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  • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    Just a thought, but this is where Bird stepping away last year could have a negative effect. One would think that he would know everything about these guys considering that he brought all of them in and watched them grow. But that being said, he did miss the most important season that they had together when they went all the way to Game 7 of the ECF's. He wasn't here to see all of the comradery and locker room interactions as we battled through that intense postseason, so it's possible that he didn't fully appreciate the role of Granger's locker room presence if in fact Granger was a key presence in last year's playoff run.
    QFT....good point.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

      Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
      Easy to do when the very same horse is beaten over and over again by numerous posters. I am fully aware this team has been slumping... and there are several valid reasons,, but time and time again the reason identified the most is the DG trade.
      You named Sookie, and misconstrued what Peck said.

      I agree it has been the most discussed ELEMENT, but I disagree that some huge majority (or even a significant minority) think it is the primary or the only cause.

      I think it is the primary reason it went so deep and lasted so long. Do you count that as the same thing as thinking it is the cause?
      Last edited by BillS; 04-16-2014, 06:27 PM. Reason: fix typo of majority for minority
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

        Originally posted by BillS View Post
        In Bird's defense, that layer is not the easiest thing to see from Bird's position. It probably wasn't something he personally as a player ever needed or did because he wasn't that kind of person to share problems or go look for help. That means, however, it would not have been something he would have thought to ask the coaches.
        QFT...another good point...plus, Bird is a pretty "cut throat" individual. Well, that's always been my impression of Bird. We're talking about the same person who didn't even crack a smile when Miller hit a game winning shot.


        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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        • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

          I think some people are also confused on what our record was before granger and after instead of how we were playing as a team, anyone that uses record is not really getting it...
          Why so SERIOUS

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          • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
            We were never "by far" the best team in the East. There's no such thing as being "by far" better than a two time defending champ with one of the greatest players in the history of the league that knocked you out in the playoffs two straight years. What was our biggest lead on the Heat this season? 3 and a half or 4? I don't think it ever got to 5. We were never "by far" better than them, especially when you consider the fact that they have a guy in Lebron who can kick it into a Jordan-esque gear when he wants.

            Since 1994, the Pacers are just 1-6 in the Conference Finals. Larry Bird as coach was 1-2. He knows how incredibly difficult it is to take that next step to the NBA Finals, especially when you're going up against a historically all-time great in the prime of his career. In no way shape or form was it in the bag before the Granger trade. You should never be content when you're going up against a player as great as Lebron James. Turner certainly hasn't been what we hoped, but the logic of the trade still makes sense, especially when you consider that Granger hasn't even played in three weeks.
            I'll accept that I shouldn't say "by far". That was a bit of a hyperbole. I should have simply said clearly. Mind you, I was talking specifically about records.

            I never said that anything was ever in the bag. I'm not that kind of person. I'm never going to write any team off. I haven't done it at any point of my life and I'm not going to start now. I don't take anything for granted.

            Yes, I agree that you should never be content when going up against a team with multiple HoFer. But I also believe that chemistry is very important. You have to find a balance between the two and that's a lot easier said than done.
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

              Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
              Not everything has to be connected. But my point is that if the trade hasn't happened and Danny was setting on our bench hurt, would we really be better off? I think it is crazy to think that we would be.
              No one can know how this team would look if the trade didn't happen. It could be better, it could be worse, it could be mostly the same. It's a hypothetical question and we're never going to know the answer.

              The only thing that we can know is how the team is playing right now. Thankfully, the game against OKC was good. The team that played out there against OKC looked like the team that started this season. The team also had a lot of fun in today's game even though most starters didn't play. You could see the good vibes around the team and you could feel the unity returning. I believe that we're going down the right path.

              Originally posted by Tom White View Post
              Man! That is some kind of strict definition of veteran you've got there. By that definition, there would seem to be very few vets in the league.
              Yes, I don't believe that the league is littered with vets. It varies and how long a player has spent in this league as a big part of a good play is always going to come into play.

              Originally posted by Tom White View Post
              Someone should look up the Heat's record prior to and after the Granger trade. My gut feeling is that their record is worse after the trade as well. That Granger guy must have had a larger impact than we've ever imagined, if trading him affected the records of two teams.
              Gladly. They were 38-14 in February 18th and they ended the season with a 54-28 record. Therefore, their record after the Granger is 16-14.

              What does that have to do with anything, though? Granger didn't play for the Heat so his trade obviously had no impact on them. I feel that Wade missing 11 of his team's last 15 games had a much bigger impact.

              Unless you're just trying to be ironic, of course.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                Easy to do when the very same horse is beaten over and over again by numerous posters. I am fully aware this team has been slumping... and there are several valid reasons,, but time and time again the reason identified the most is the DG trade.
                No, not really. The reason that most people provided one week ago (after the Miami loss) was that the players of this team were "pussies", "overpaid" and "chokers". None of that is close to being truth and none of it was part of why we struggled but people kept being this dead horse endlessly.
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                  Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                  Easy to do when the very same horse is beaten over and over again by numerous posters. I am fully aware this team has been slumping... and there are several valid reasons,, but time and time again the reason identified the most is the DG trade.
                  And time and time again, people tell you that they don't think it's THE reason.

                  Go with what people say their opinion is, or go with your mind reading abilities? Hard choices.
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                    And time and time again, people tell you that they don't think it's THE reason.

                    Go with what people say their opinion is, or go with your mind reading abilities? Hard choices.

                    BILLS agreed with my original statement.

                    Originally posted by BillS View Post
                    I agree it has been the most discussed ELEMENT.
                    No further reason to stoop any lower to your level.

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                    • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                      Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                      BILLS agreed with my original statement.
                      I agreed that the Danny trade has been the part of the slump most discussed.

                      I did NOT agree that the people discussing it mostly thought it was the primary cause of the slump.
                      BillS

                      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                      • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                        Originally posted by BillS View Post
                        You named Sookie, and misconstrued what Peck said.

                        I agree it has been the most discussed ELEMENT, but I disagree that some huge majority (or even a significant minority) think it is the primary or the only cause.

                        I think it is the primary reason it went so deep and lasted so long. Do you count that as the same thing as thinking it is the cause?
                        In the same light I believe my comments were misconstrued to a degree as well. I don't have time to go back and read all the threads highlighting where the Granger trade is referenced more than any other cause for the collapse. Not trying to single out anyone,, Sollozzo had some quotes and I referenced for sake of time. Obviously "Odd Thoughts" is one of the most read and respected columns on PD so it was one of the easiest examples to choose from. Skimming through one or two Odd Thoughts I found the following and you are correct, Peck made it clear the reason for the pacers slide is not the DG trade.

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                        Originally posted by Peck View Post
                        I’m just going to go ahead and say it now. The Evan Turner for Danny Granger trade was a disaster in the locker room and now officially it is a disaster on the court. Turner was benched in the second half after 7 min. of useless first half play. Don’t get me wrong the ship was headed south prior to the trade but this was like killing a dying hamster with a shotgun.

                        http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...cring-us/page3
                        The above may be true but I think its far to early to say until Granger proves he can stay on the court and contribute this postseason, in addition to several other variables.

                        To answer your question Bills, the sting of the DG trade most likely did have some sort of prolonged effect on this team, but its not justifiable to say almost 6 weeks later and this team is still dealing with the affects of the trade. Somewhat of a "cop out" imo for the overall poor play of the team.

                        Folks can blame Bird all they want, but the talent on the team was upgraded this season and potentially beyond which for a small market Franchise is critical. Granger could be as close to Knute Rockne as this team may ever know but I don't believe it would have ever translated to an improved performance overall for the bench,,, which was the primary reason Bird made the move.

                        Guess you can say "what if" all you want... hindsights 20/20 ,, however it has been PROVEN that Granger coming off the bench for the second unit was not going to give this team any longstanding consistency or production on the court. In fact, the second unit may have steadily worsened. who really knows??

                        The team seems to have had an identity crisis,, and maybe Grangers influence was as strong as suggest,,, I just don't think it would have made any impact on our offensive over the long haul.. with the way Dannys game has regressed.

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                        • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                          Originally posted by BillS View Post
                          I agreed that the Danny trade has been the part of the slump most discussed.

                          I did NOT agree that the people discussing it mostly thought it was the primary cause of the slump.

                          Its simply overkill at this point. Time to move on. I attempted to state my position as clearly as possible, if the brevity of my comments overall have been misinterpreted is not an issue for me.

                          Just saying if the Pacers fail to reach the NBA Finals for any reason most likely DG's name will be tossed around all offseason long as the missing piece to the puzzle,, which I believe is simply not true... when all possible causes for the decline in play are evaluated.

                          Unless Danny was going to revert back to 2012 east semis vs Miami... a move likely needed to be made. It just didn't work out like we had hoped but doesn't mean the trade imo was officially a failure.. when the potential for return on investment still exists.


                          Again,,, its overkill at this point just ready to look forward to the playoffs!
                          Last edited by PacersPride; 04-17-2014, 12:32 PM.

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                          • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                            Originally posted by Really? View Post
                            Maybe it was not a blindspot, maybe his blindspot was not seeing how mentally weak this team was.
                            Yeah, that was the blindspot I was referring to.

                            Originally posted by BillS View Post
                            Maybe I should give up, but this isn't about sulking.
                            I used that word as a catch all for whatever has happened as a result of the Granger trade. Here, I'll rephrase my comment:

                            He certainly wouldn't have let the trade affect him and his team for two months.

                            I hope that better explains my point. Whatever the effect was, if there was one, it shouldn't persist for as long as this end-of-year slump has lasted.

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                            • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                              How long should it take to re-adjust your lineup/roles, bringing in a new guy that requires the ball in his hands much much more than the player(s) he replaced? A week? Two weeks? 30 hrs?

                              EDIT: Add this wrinkle into the question, the DG/Evan trade went down Feb 20. You know how many practice days the Pacers have had since then? Only about 3. The Pacers played every other day for almost a month and a half, only having one time where they had two days of rest/practice time. Once. Kind of hard to make those adjustments, when you only have games to work out the issues.
                              Last edited by Since86; 04-17-2014, 02:26 PM.
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                                I think that the terrestrial will give us some solid postseason production.

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