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  • #61
    Re: #DetroitInvasion

    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    I watched on TV and if there were 17,000 fans in that stadium they all must have been hiding in the concourse.
    That would still have 5000 empty seats. I could see 17k being in the gates in there.

    I spent the whole weekend in downtown Detroit. You guys are giving it is a worse rep than it deserves.
    I would partially agree. I thought Downtown Detroit on I-75 looked fairly nice (ESPECIALLY at night other than the flicking sign on the Ambassador Bridge), but then I-75 curved just past Ford Field and you see those abandoned projects on the left, and from there to about the 8 Mile exit, it just goes downhill.
    Last edited by Sandman21; 02-25-2013, 04:05 PM.
    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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    • #62
      Re: #DetroitInvasion

      I don't know where Chris and/or Brooke came up with me "masterminding" the Detroit trip.

      For one thing, almost nothing gets "masterminded" in Area 55 and I doubt anything does in G2 Zone either. Things just happen, kind of, sort of, sometimes. The lack of formal organization is one of the nicer things about the two cheering sections.

      Chris Parrish of G2 Zone arranged the vans; the Pacers Suits helped get us a block of discounted tickets; Josh McDonald of G2 Zone and I did head counts and collected money. Some were kind enough to drive the vans or handle the carpooling. Mostly it was just a lot of people simply showing up.

      Woody Allen, I think one time said about 90% of life is just showing up.
      Last edited by IndyHoya; 02-25-2013, 05:05 PM.

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      • #63
        Re: #DetroitInvasion

        Originally posted by IndyHoya View Post
        I don't know where Chris and/or Brooke came up with me "masterminding" the Detroit trip.

        For one thing, almost nothing gets "masterminded" in Area 55 and I doubt anything does in G2 Zone either. Things just happen, kind of, sort of, sometimes The lack of formal organization is one of the nicer things about the two cheering sections.

        Chris Parrish of G2 Zone arranged the vans; the Pacers Suits help get us a block of tickets; Josh McDonald of G2 Zone and I did head counts and collected money. Some were kind enough to drive the vans or handle the carpooling. Mostly it was just a lot of people simply showing up.

        Woody Allen, I think one time said about 90% of life is just showing up.
        This. I'm still surprised we all found our way to the Palace. I had the over/under count on how many vehicles accidentally went to Canada at 3.
        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

        "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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        • #64
          Re: #DetroitInvasion

          I stayed in downtown Detroit on business a couple of years ago. I parked in a very nice Bed & Breakfast and cabbed to the Immigration Court where I was doing my work. It was OK. Detroit has its share of urban renewal going on. It isn't totally bad. Parts of it are showing some promise.


          Also, after the game some of the people behind us that were yelling at us about our lack of NBA championship banners came up, shook hands, and told us that they were doing their thing because they regarded it as just part of the fun. I invited them down to see us sometime. One of them told me privately that everyone in Detroit knows that "the Pistons suck". They wished us luck in the playoffs too.

          When I say we "ruined" things for people I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole. Some people were undoubtedly irritated by us (as Seth said, the seats around us emptied out and people relocated), some were definitely amused (taking pictures of us, having us pose with them), and some spontaneously jumped into the role of trying to be sort of a counter to us. The ambience, to me, was a lot like Squad 6's visit to us 3 years ago. Nobody did anything that would make Roy or the Georges ashamed that I'm aware of.
          Hell, the only real malefactor that I saw was Will Bynum, and he was in a Piston uniform.
          Last edited by IndyHoya; 02-25-2013, 05:01 PM.

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          • #65
            Re: #DetroitInvasion

            Originally posted by boombaby1987 View Post
            Yes, Detroit has higher crime, but as I said, the majority of it is people who know each other. They don't randomly just kill tourists for the fun of it.
            I think that Detroit has found a new motto for it's tourism Department....."Come to Detroit.....we don't randomly just kill tourists for the fun of it".
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            • #66
              Re: #DetroitInvasion

              This was a great write up, I wish I could have been there! We were watching the game, Chris and Austin mentioned Area 55 and G2 zones several times complete with camera shots on TV. It was cool to hear cheering for the Pacers on TV. We go to as many away games as we can while we travel and will be at the Magic game coming up in Orlando. Most fans have been great to be around, friendly cheering and such. Just want to adds.....GO PACERS!

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              • #67
                Re: #DetroitInvasion

                I get to see several Pacers road games a year now but I'm jealous because I've never been able to do it in a big group (although I will be in Orlando when they're there in a week or so). Great writeup, can't wait to see the pictures.
                Check out my autographed 1972-73 Topps basketball project

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                • #68
                  Re: #DetroitInvasion

                  I was there in g2 zone van. In the blue g2zone shirt and the black/gray hat and carhartt coat. Names Dustin. i remember talking to u a few times seth. And yeah I noticed a lot of the g2zone people don't post on PD. ill try to get some of them signed up. Was an awesome experience. Very fun, definitely down to do it again.

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                  • #69
                    Re: #DetroitInvasion

                    Not much to add here since I was in the same van and essentially the same place as Seth the entire time. Some random bits:

                    Having taken part in the Area 55 Milwaukee Adventure last season, I've compared the two places a lot in my head and out loud to others. There is definitely a different attitude between those two cities when it comes to opposing fans. Not sure if that's because they're almost two different cultures, in a sense, or because of our team's history with the Pistons.

                    We were told by one of the Pistons fans who spoke with us that the home crowd that night was the loudest they'd been all season, likely egged on by our presence. Like they had much to cheer on from their team?

                    The ushers (who as mentioned took the time to warn us to be good) didn't seem to care about the behavior of the Detroit fans. They were pretty much good to yell whatever they wanted at us and in some cases throw stuff at us. A few bad apples, but I won't judge them all based off of that. Milwaukee was like that to a degree also.

                    Like Kielbeze, I did shake hands and high five with a few Pistons fans on the way out. Also had a guy and his daughter who drove up from Indy come up and talked to us for a few. They were dressed up like Area 55'ers/G2zoneheads themselves, but had no affiliation with either group apparently.

                    The difference between our jumbotron and the little thing they had hanging from their rafters is huge. Appreciate what we have even more now.

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                    • #70
                      Re: #DetroitInvasion

                      Originally posted by IndyHoya View Post
                      I don't know where Chris and/or Brooke came up with me "masterminding" the Detroit trip.

                      For one thing, almost nothing gets "masterminded" in Area 55 and I doubt anything does in G2 Zone either. Things just happen, kind of, sort of, sometimes. The lack of formal organization is one of the nicer things about the two cheering sections.

                      Chris Parrish of G2 Zone arranged the vans; the Pacers Suits helped get us a block of discounted tickets; Josh McDonald of G2 Zone and I did head counts and collected money. Some were kind enough to drive the vans or handle the carpooling. Mostly it was just a lot of people simply showing up.

                      Woody Allen, I think one time said about 90% of life is just showing up.
                      Yeah, I know it was a labor of love with many folks involved, but it was still neat that one of them knew you by name. In fact, I think they actually referred to you as the President of Area 55, which prompted Cro to ask if they have a VP, a treasurer, whether these folks are elected and who elects them---the action picked up and that's where Cro and Denari started covering the game action again. I have the DVD of the Detroit telecast and can lend it to you if you can figure out how to burn a copy. Their exchange was pretty funny.

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                      • #71
                        Re: #DetroitInvasion

                        Need to do that again next year
                        Smothered Chicken!

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                        • #72
                          Re: #DetroitInvasion

                          Originally posted by joeyd View Post
                          Yeah, I know it was a labor of love with many folks involved, but it was still neat that one of them knew you by name. In fact, I think they actually referred to you as the President of Area 55, which prompted Cro to ask if they have a VP, a treasurer, whether these folks are elected and who elects them---the action picked up and that's where Cro and Denari started covering the game action again. I have the DVD of the Detroit telecast and can lend it to you if you can figure out how to burn a copy. Their exchange was pretty funny.
                          I know how to burn DVDs.....
                          "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                          • #73
                            Re: #DetroitInvasion

                            Now if we can get Seth out to PTO (Pacers Tailgating organization BTW)we will have officially corrupted him!

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                            • #74
                              Re: #DetroitInvasion

                              Originally posted by IndyHoya View Post
                              Thanks, Seth, for writing up the journey and it was great finally being able to associate a warm body with the "Naptown Seth" moniker I've seen here periodically over the last 3 years of my PD membership. Enjoyed talking to you on the way up. However, on the way back you were so dead to the world back in the rear of the van I figured we might have to hold funeral services for you at some point after crossing the Indiana line. *grin*
                              I put on my headphones when I thought the van was all in sleep mode.


                              Yeah, I caught some flak for my late arrival. I forgot about that, coming down the road and seeing the whole crew on deck to go and giving me s*** for holding it up. I felt pretty bad about it, not that anyone was mean. Just the group really was ready to be going.



                              I should have remembered you were IndyHoya after talking about the end of the 'cuse/Gtown game at "dinner".


                              We also did talk about the fact that PD in general hadn't been included when filling up the vans/trip, but those guys had looked at a bus but couldn't quite get enough people to make it affordable. So IndyHoya and I said that maybe if we pulled from some of the PD faithful we could get a full-on bus for one of these in the future. Obviously A55 and G2 have their own events and stuff and it's their prerogative to expand or not. This would be more like situations where we "helped out" for the raw numbers, sorta like they did by combining A55/G2 for this trip.

                              Bringing in a few people is one thing because the group is still organized and willing to defer. I wouldn't want to have a bunch of PD people join in and not meet that spirit. For their events it's got to be their show.




                              Det-roit Pis-tons
                              AINT what
                              they use to be
                              AINT what
                              they use to be
                              AINT what
                              they used to be

                              Almost felt bad for them. Almost.

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                              • #75
                                Re: #DetroitInvasion

                                Anyway, the Saga of Team Sandman actually began at 8:45 AM with me making the literally five minute drive to the rental car pickup place to meet with the bus crew and drop off Seth's ticket with Indyhoya Joe (yes, its my fault ). From there, I had to then drive to pickup the other two members of our carpool, two friends of mine from high school. This also was ironically the only time I saw the vans on the drive up between Indianapolis and the Palace of Auburn Hills. At which point, we made the carswap to the Kia that belongs to the fiance of our first driver. Its important to note that even before we had left, the executive decision was made that he was not to drive home, as he can fall asleep on a dime. This will come into play later.

                                Anyway, we get on the interstate at 10:25, and I quickly get a tweet from Seth saying he's five minutes out. I see it literally sixty seconds before the vans were supposed to be underway, so I instantly get on the cell with Airport Squad Ron and relay the news that Seth is still five minutes out. Shockingly, the vans waited for him. . Anyway, our first driver is not only a narcoleptic, he also is a magnet for bad female drivers. Unfortunately for the better gender, the stereotype held in force the entire way our first man was driving. Before we had hit I-69, we had dealt with no less than 4 really bad examples for the stereotype. Other than that, the drive up 69 was fast and we made good time around Fort Wayne onto to US-24. It was about this time that we started looking for somewhere to eat before realizing there aint **** on US-24 between Fort Wayne and the awesomely named Defiance, Ohio (literally, we saw an Ohio State trooper turn around just outside the city limit). At this time our driver publically proclaims that he is jonesing for some Buffalo Wild Wings.... just in time for us to find the ONE B-Dubs on US-24. 45 minutes later, after replenishing our guts and seeing via Twitter that Barb's directions had apparently taken the Area 55 van from Evansville to Louisville to Chicago to Texas (god only knows where the G2 van was), it was time to fill up the car, which fell to me as the car DJ at this point. $20 later I get back into the car only to find out that in an unintentional act of Defiance (see what I did there?) we had nearly blown up ourselves and the gas station; the engine was so quiet, nobody had realized it had been running the entire time I had been gassing the car up.

                                Alas, today was not the day I became a Darwin Award nominee and we were back on our way, still with no idea where anyone else was pushing towards Toledo and then north to from there to Detroit when I happened to notice that our narcoleptic driver was yawning. Sure enough, the next exit he was done (literally asleep before we got back on the interstate) and I was behind the wheel for the last apparent half mile of Ohio (apparent because we never found a sign marking the state line, leading first to fears that we would find ourselves in the midst of an undeclared war between Ohio and Michigan, and secondly, wondering what state we were actually in. Fortunately for us not only did we not run into any militia checkpoints, we also saw the Michigan Welcome Center after about 15 miles. For the first time in 4 hours, we knew we were heading on the right track. As we closed in on the Motor City, we noticed LOTS of Ford Plants and also a random nuclear plant off in the distance. It was also about this time that I briefly thought that Dearborn had moved way south in the almost 20 years since the then Little Sandman had last been in Detroit when I saw the off ramp sign for the Henry Ford Museum. Alas, this was not the day to find out, as there was business to attest to! One exit later, we saw the first sign we had been waiting 4 hours and 30 minutes for: Now Entering Detroit City Limits. We weren't lost (considering I can get lost driving to work, this is a big accomplishment)! And soon we were able to see the iconic Renaissance Center in the far distance. It was also about this time we got to smell southern Detroit; the Marathon Refinery to be exact. As we continued to speed up I-75 towards the Palace, I saw that the refinery had taken a oil tank next to the interstate and had painted it like a basketball and slapped a Pistons logo on it. At this point, almost 10 years of anger at Detroit was let loose as I rolled down my window and with the force of a tribal warrior, let out a battle cry at 75 MPH as our first driver snored away in the backseat:

                                **** YOU BEN WALLACE!

                                Suddenly, I felt better and rolled the window back up and became much more of a tourist. With our navigator in the side seat taking pictures and AC/DC playing Highway to Hell over the speakers, we began pointing out the landmarks and thinking that Detroit wasn't so bad. And then 75 curved left and we were greeted by the site of the Brewster Wheeler Projects. Or what was left of them. We were rather impressed and mystified by the graffiti on the 12th floor though. As we continued to rumble up I-75 through Detroit amid the snoring from the back seat, we continued to take photos as we continued to trek towards our final destination. At some point the Area 55 van actually passed by us, which was not realized by Team Sandman until much later, although THEY had an inkling that we were probably heading to the same place. I mean, there can't be THAT many drivers wearing bright yellow El Pacero t-shirts in Detroit, can there?

                                Soon after, it finally appeared on the horizon: The Palace of Auburn Hills.... and a landfill! As we did not know where everyone was, we weren't sure if the parking lot was even open yet, so I traversed a couple blocks further in search of a place to temporarily park while we figured out where everyone was....... at a Jimmy John's of all places.


                                TO BE CONTINUED...
                                Last edited by Sandman21; 02-25-2013, 08:18 PM.
                                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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