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  • Naptown_Seth
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    By the way, I checked at Photobucket and didn't realize they'd implemented a new auto "web" sized for linked photos. That's why they are so small. I tried to keep them "loadable" size to keep the thread reasonable, but to me the sizes Pbucket has used are too small for some of these.

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  • Hicks
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    Reminds me of when I went up there with Gnome and Gnome's Wife about 5 ( ) years ago. We didn't get there when it was the Pacers, but it was CLE @ DET. But we actually sat kind of close to where you all sat. If you start from where you were, go alllllll the way up to the last row in the entire place, and then somewhat to the right (over your right shoulder, that is). That's where we sat for that game in 2008. I looked through some of the pictures I took back then and it looks like they've replaced the championship banners since then. They didn't look that great IMO at the time but they do now. One photo had a banner saying '220 straight sellouts, thanks fans!' Yeah, that thing isn't there any more.

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  • Naptown_Seth
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    Last batch of photos...


    Cont from previous, Danny sizes up the switch (doesn't look like it but he still has his dribble going on)




    He sees the left drive to the lane open with the kick to Paul available if he can press them




    They drop off him to help stop the drive, so Danny rises up for 3



    And it's on it's way...a miss, but they won't stay that way. His jumpers basically came as "drive back the defender, straight pull up", ie not fades really, which are one of his main shots.

    The whole play shows how nasty the spacing can be with Danny back. There is Paul waiting for the open 3 also, or if DG drives and forces backward movement into the lane then Paul can follow him with his own drive after the kickout and inevitable hard close out by a defender.




    Tyler drives past Charlie V, although the ball would get knocked loose at the rim on this one. It's still pathetic how bad Villanueva is given his FA payday. I remember at the time many Pacers fans being so in love with all the spending Detroit was able to do on guys like Gordon and Villanueva, which actually started previously as justification for the terrible AI move (either he helps keep them good or they get cap space...which will promptly be turned into something even worse).




    I totally forgot about this guy, which A55/G2 all cheered afterward (see, we weren't jerks). He's an "usher?" that does some impressive dancing late in the game during a timeout. I assume this is a regular thing at games.

    Also I forgot to mention the suites. Notice how they have full windows with vertical blinds. It's not the open look of BILF suites, these are more like "we want to hide in here sometimes" style similar to SkyDome it seems. Like hotel windows looking out on an atrium or something. It's the first time I've notice bball arena suites like this. Obviously the 3 rows of seats in front of them go with the suite.



    Late in the 4th, Roy comes out to take a pass. This would end up being a forced 3 by Paul with Roy as the screener.



    Hill is killing the clock



    A55/G2 is feeling the love, maybe a bit too much at times. Great road trip, great road win.







    Pacero and Nap recreate the Sacto mood




    This thing is over, time for the celebration, or whatever Fireman Ken (think I finally got that right) is doing.






    Post-game interviews and hugs




    My favorite thing about this photo is the funny detail in the middle.
    West is just out in the middle alone looking for someone to be all BAMF with.




    Oh baby, first Granger post-game of the season. Hopefully not the last. Woo Hoo!




    I didn't get good shots of the march out. Much of the night I was more busy participating than documenting. I didn't realize how cool this shot would be till we were well on our way and then I had to hold the camera up over my head and do some blind shots. This is the best I came up with. Security was still following us at this point.





    An obligatory at night photo of the outside. Okay, but not as nice looking at night as someplace like Toyota Center which is one of the sharpest looking outside, and BILF of course.




    That is all, finally. I have large versions of all of these. I've cropped and shrunk, and Photobucket has held them all to a max width for linking. Most of these are actually much bigger as uploaded.
    Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 02-26-2013, 11:21 AM.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
    Given the economic state of the region it's even more impressive.


    But it is out in the middle of nowhere. I didn't know the situation with the land ownership or anything.

    One thing about Target is that the location itself is as awesome as BILF. You can (and I did) do a road trip to a TWolves game without a car. $1.50 train from the airport to downtown, right next to the stadium. I have a friend that lives in town which was my place to stay, but obviously you could do a hotel right next to the arena (ditto their awesome baseball field).

    Their new baseball stadium looks really nice. Also, it looks like they are building a new Vikings Stadium that will be patterned after Lucas Oil:

    The $975 million project, half of which will be publicly funded, will be patterned after Lucas Oil Stadium.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings_Stadium

    I have a feeling that the TWolves will be demanding a new arena within the next five years.

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  • Naptown_Seth
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    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    It's one of the perks of owning the land your arena is built on. You can renovate and update every few years without dealing with all the red tape.
    Given the economic state of the region it's even more impressive.


    But it is out in the middle of nowhere. I didn't know the situation with the land ownership or anything.

    One thing about Target is that the location itself is as awesome as BILF. You can (and I did) do a road trip to a TWolves game without a car. $1.50 train from the airport to downtown, right next to the stadium. I have a friend that lives in town which was my place to stay, but obviously you could do a hotel right next to the arena (ditto their awesome baseball field).

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  • Sollozzo
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    I've always been impressed with how nice the Palace still looks, despite being 25 years old. Every other NBA arena of similar age is either no longer in use (Miami Arena, O-Rena, etc) or very dated looking (Target, ARCO). I guess Energy Solutions in Salt Lake still looks halfway decent.

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  • Kstat
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    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
    And that doesn't bother me. I prefer it to stuff like Chicago, LA or even how the Hive was laid out. I know that for some places it's not practical to be so dedicated to the basketball layout, but it makes for a better aesthetic to me. Sort of like Wrigley vs Riverfront/Vet/3 Rivers used to be.

    In the case of the Palace, it happens to look great inside, the seats are in outstanding shape - I don't think we mentioned that the upper level seats are nice cushion types. The Palace seems brand new to me, still very clean. I mean I was just at Target and in comparison it seems like an old, dirty rundown place like if MSA was still in use. Even Sleep Train really shows its age, quaint though it may be (I realize it's much older).
    It's one of the perks of owning the land your arena is built on. You can renovate and update every few years without dealing with all the red tape.

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  • CableKC
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    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
    Yeah Ken, it looked bigger than Oracle. I think that's part of the reason the "normal" scoreboard looked so tiny. We kept talking about it vs the new BILF board, but the Palace also has that "not just Bball" type layout with really deep baselines and a rounder or long oval structure. The seats weren't bad, but you aren't as close as you are in BILF.

    But from the outside I thought it was similar looking in size to Oracle. Way bigger than Sacto or Minny.

    SAS is more bball dedicated and closer to the BILF cozy. It's funny to me that HOU seems older than these other places because it's the new replacement for the Summit. It feels like the oldest of the bunch.
    I like the interior concourse design. It looks a lot more modern than Oracle Arena and even more "glitzy".

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  • Naptown_Seth
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    This is actually a continuation of the play that was the last photo in my first post of photos. It's Ian going to the rim, I think he missed.
    But of interest is Tyler. I may have shrunk it too much to see, but he kinda has his elbow up while fighting for position but he's also having his uniform pulled.




    That's Danny in the shorts and he and some of the guys not in the game appear to be enjoying the cheerleading effort.



    I didn't get a good shot of Danny right as he came in the game, but this is I think the first actual play. He's over on the left as the 3pt kick out guy. Ian is going to the rim with the pass headed his way.





    Not the best shot, but I wanted something of Danny coming up the court.



    I forgot that they totally have the drumline rip-off. Okay, so it's not like drumlines aren't a big thing, and I don't think they play in the stands during the game or anything. But still, come on man.
    I think we heckled this, but I can't recall.



    The guys are not impressed with the drumline.



    Oh great, the freaking Hooper b-day party.



    Blurry, but Boomer kneels and looks on



    They brought out the kid cheerleaders and the real cheerleaders and had mascot dunks which is where I think Boomer got piled on.






    There's our boy. BOOMER!





    Just before the 3rd I walked around to get a shot of our section. I was trying to wait for everyone to get back to the group. Here are some FTA game shots from that vantage.






    So here is most of the crew, maybe 75%. A few were still not back from their halftime wanderings and obviously I'm not over there myself. The farthest one gives you some perspective on how small we were in relation to the total crowd which is shocking because as has been noted we were really loud. From the inside it didn't seem like we were such a small area. When I looked from this angle I was more impressed with our effort.

    Also the areas around us have started to clear out by this point. There are still a few more that haven't given up yet, but when we got there people were sitting right behind us.









    Hey look, it's inflatable Boomer








    Danny drives with the ball






    ...more to come

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  • Naptown_Seth
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    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    I remember the first time being in Conseco sayings to myself, "my god this place is small..."
    And that doesn't bother me. I prefer it to stuff like Chicago, LA or even how the Hive was laid out. I know that for some places it's not practical to be so dedicated to the basketball layout, but it makes for a better aesthetic to me. Sort of like Wrigley vs Riverfront/Vet/3 Rivers used to be.

    In the case of the Palace, it happens to look great inside, the seats are in outstanding shape - I don't think we mentioned that the upper level seats are nice cushion types. The Palace seems brand new to me, still very clean. I mean I was just at Target and in comparison it seems like an old, dirty rundown place like if MSA was still in use. Even Sleep Train really shows its age, quaint though it may be (I realize it's much older).

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  • pacer4ever
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    reminds me of the United Center I couldnt believe how big that place was the first time I was there.


    Isn't the Palace and the UC designed for Hockey?

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  • Trader Joe
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    I mean the Palace sits, what, 4,000 more people?

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  • boombaby1987
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    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    I remember the first time being in Conseco sayings to myself, "my god this place is small..."
    I sat in the lower bowl, and I got the feeling that it felt smaller than BLF.(I know it isn't) Something about having only one concourse...

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  • Kstat
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    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    My god......the Palace is frickin huge.
    I remember the first time being in Conseco sayings to myself, "my god this place is small..."

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  • Hicks
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    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
    Sorry MAS, but Mackey is right on this. Will took things WAY out of context.
    No, actually Mackey was wrong. Not wrong that Will took things out of context (because he did), but wrong because I don't believe for one second that Will "deliberately misinterpreted" what he was reading. It was an honest mistake, nothing more.

    In any case, as I'm sure you saw if you kept reading the thread after that post, things were quickly clarified between Will and the others, so it's all good between them now.

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