The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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The Official Summer League game thread

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  • #16
    Re: The Official Summer League game thread

    Remember this is summer league.


    • #17
      Re: The Official Summer League game thread

      Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
      Remember this is summer league.
      Yes it is... and I've been waiting for this since the season was over.

      Go Summer League!


      • #18
        Re: The Official Summer League game thread

        Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
        Remember this is summer league.
        It's all we got and we get to see Born Ready.


        • #19
          Re: The Official Summer League game thread

          Is Stephenson playing or he's still sidelined?


          • #20
            Re: The Official Summer League game thread

            Is this first game July 5 or 6?
            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


            • #21
              Re: The Official Summer League game thread

              mike wells with a pretty exhaustive breakdown of the summer team from new lead assistant frank vogel:


              The Indiana Pacers open the five-day Orlando, Fla., summer league this afternoon against the Magic after four days of practice at Conseco Fieldhouse.

              Josh McRoberts and rookies Paul George, Lance Stephenson and Magnum Rolle will be the focal points this week.

              Frank Vogel, who is Jim O'Brien's new lead assistant, is making his head coaching debut in Orlando. O'Brien, president Larry Bird and general manager David Morway will be in the stands monitoring the progress of the players.

              Vogel breaks down what the Pacers are looking for from each player this week.

              Vogel on McRoberts: "We're looking to grow his space-the-floor game. We're going to look to run a lot of pick-and-pops with him. He's shooting 500 3s a day one-on-zero. One of the primary reasons we're asking him to play is so he can get game 3s. You can't become a great 3-point shooter if you don't do it in games.

              "There's not a lot of NBA pick-up ball being played this time of year. Right now, this is the best basketball he can play to improve.

              "That's the No. 1 thing he's looking to do, to transform his game the way (Phoenix's) Channing Frye transformed his game, from a non-3-point shooter to a knockdown 3-point shooter."

              Vogel on Stephenson: "We think Stephenson is going to be great in pick-and-roll, great in the open court. We think he can be a point guard.

              "We're putting him in that situation as much as possible to evaluate him and to teach him. He needs to improve -- just because he's not used to it -- running a team concept.
              "If we're running plays that aren't his play, just making sure he's delivering the ball to guys on time and getting us into the right set.

              "Almost daily we're impressed with his playmaking ability, not just looking to score, but finding the right man and making the right reads."

              Vogel on George: "He's got versatility. We're trying to post him, we're trying to encourage him to get himself as many 3-point line catches as he can so he can be a brutal closeout guy, much like Danny (Granger) has become.

              "Danny, the year he went from 14 points a game to 19 points a game, we didn't run a play for him the whole year. It was almost exclusively on just being a shooter and forcing long closeouts and being a driver. We're trying to get George to have that part of his game."

              Vogel on Rolle: "We're seeing what we have in Magnum. We've been so pleasantly surprised in him that we didn't think we were going to get much of a post game. He can post some now. We didn't think he was going to be a great shooter. He's knocked down almost every midrange shot that he's taken.

              "Of course, just watching him work on the defensive glass, the offensive glass and blocking shots, it's all things we knew he could do. We just want him to do it in the context of our scheme."

              Vogel on Vogel: "I'm trying to grow as a coach. It's a tremendous difference being a guy that watches practice and interjects with guys on the sideline or a quick 10-second points here and there; or maybe have a segment of a drill.

              "It's a big difference in doing that and running the whole show. Coming up with a practice plan, implementing an entire scheme and system that you can go to battle with in a game where you're going to encounter every situation.

              "You have six practices to get an entire scheme in. Coach O'Brien will advise me if he sees something I can do better. But he hasn't done that much. He has a lot of trust in me, but he'll correct me if I need to be corrected."


              • #22
                Re: The Official Summer League game thread

                Those comments about McBeard make me want to puke. When I was crying my eyes out at Reggie's last game, I never thought that in 5 years I'd be wishing the 3-point line would just ****ing go away.

                Anyway, note that Turner-Favors is the undercard at 1pm. First chance for all you non-college watchers to see 'em.
                Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!


                • #23
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                  Indeed, comments about McBob are terrible. We don't want Troy Murphy 2.0!
                  Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!


                  • #24
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                    McRoberts becomes a much more complete, dangerous player if he develops a reliable 3 pt. shot.

                    His handle, play-making, and exceptional finishing ability all become consistent weapons in his arsenal on close-outs. The coaching staff is wanting him to play to his strengths.


                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by Chuck Chillout View Post
                      McRoberts becomes a much more complete, dangerous player if he develops a reliable 3 pt. shot.

                      His handle, play-making, and exceptional finishing ability all become consistent weapons in his arsenal on close-outs. The coaching staff is wanting him to play to his strengths.
                      i agree with this. we all want mcbob to become another dale davis, but the truth is his skills look a lot more suitable for a perimeter player than a post player. acquiring low post skills would also be useful for him, true, but he's shown little signs of having a low post game - not in indiana nor in portland.

                      fortunately for mcbob, stretch 4's are in vogue right now, and coach obie in particular loves them.

                      Originally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
                      Indeed, comments about McBob are terrible. We don't want Troy Murphy 2.0!
                      troy murphy with better athleticism and better defense and not paid $12m per year? wouldn't upset me all that much if it happens.


                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                        troy murphy with better athleticism and better defense and not paid $12m per year? wouldn't upset me all that much if it happens.

                        So true. The biggest gripe people have with Murphy is what he is paid for what he does, and his defense is really bad. Josh is a much better defender and if he can provide passing and offense that is a win for the Pacers.


                        • #27
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                          Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                          Those comments about McBeard make me want to puke. When I was crying my eyes out at Reggie's last game, I never thought that in 5 years I'd be wishing the 3-point line would just ****ing go away.

                          Anyway, note that Turner-Favors is the undercard at 1pm. First chance for all you non-college watchers to see 'em.
                          Haha, no kidding man. The 3 point shot has made me lose hours of sleep with this squad the last couple years. I wish that we would understand or make corrections mid game. Like if we're 3 for 18, maybe coach can tell the team to drive the ball a little more and try to draw some fouls, rather than hoisting it up more from 3 land. I've never seen a coach so infatuated with this aspect of the game like Jim O'Brien is. I guess it would be different if we had some lights out shooters like our 2000 Finals team had with Mullin, Miller, Perkins, Best, and Rose was pretty good too, but with Granger and Murphy being the only decent shooters on the team, i guess i don't understand the need for everyone to develop the 3 shot like Obie does. If you want to shoot that many 3's a game, then make minor changes to your roster and bring in a specialist or get a p.g. that can shoot, cuz T.J. and Earl can't. Just a thought.


                          • #28
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                            Thanks for the heads up on this thread. I've got the game DVR'd now. I remember last year i was unable to catch any summer league games. If anyone does not have NBA TV, it's a cool channel, and i enjoy it more this time of year rather than when the season starts. The summer league games are really cool, and it looks like Orlando has a pretty good squad. I always like summer games because there's a lot of former college basketball talent out on the court that just never made it to the league, but they're good enough to play Pro ball somewhere. On Orlando, Jeff Adrien and Curtis Stinson were fantastic college players, Randle from Cal was one of the best p.g.'s in college last year too, and Pat Ewing Jr. is a high flyer on the break. I like their squad. Randle is a nice pick up for them, and if nobody has watched him play he is a great shooter and very fast, the only problem with him is he's about 5'10". I was hoping the Pacers would try to get in him in camp.


                            • #29
                              Re: The Official Summer League game thread

                              Let me ask you these questions:

                              If Troy Murphy - the offensive player - was more athletic and could play defense, would you still hate him?

                              If Jim O'Brien trains McBob to be a proficient 3-point shooter, then gives him the playing time that allows him to utilize both the athleticism and defensive ability that so many believe he has, then should we hate McBob? Has O'Brien "ruined" him?

                              Is Murphy a bad defender without any kind of physical presence because he shoots 3-pointers? If the only thing that makes Troy Murphy, well, Troy Murphy his three point shooting, then why don't we admire him? He is a very good three-point shooter.

                              Am I to understand that the only difference between Troy Murphy and Josh McRoberts is that Troy shoots threes and Josh McRoberts doesn't? If that's the case, then doesn't that definitively prove that McRoberts is the lesser player?

                              Should we retroactively hold Sam Perkins in contempt, because he took a higher percentage of his shots from beyond the arc - both as a Pacer (48%) and as a Sonic (42%) - than Troy has under O'Brien (41%)?

                              If McRoberts is the player you believe he is, athletically and defensively, then how does adding a 3 point shot hurt him?


                              • #30
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                                Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
                                Remember this is summer league.
                                Ahh, the skeptics' playground. Where the players they don't like either confirm they suck or merely delay confirmation.