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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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The Official Summer League game thread

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  • Re: The Official Summer League game thread

    Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
    So did I.

    I just don't understand Walsh's thinking taking Rautins & Fields in the 2nd round when Jerome James was available, and then buy him! Walsh had James, Stephenson, Butler, Lawal, Robinson, N'Diaye, and others available and passed on them not once but twice!

    Walsh drafted Jordan Hill at #8 last year only to trade him later in the season. Other than getting rid bad contracts for 2010 FA, I don't see where DW has done anything for the Knicks. Amare and Felton aren't the answers!
    Obviously, Mike D'Antoni wanted the #38 and #39 picks as 'spacers' on the court. Since Donnie has already presided over the demolition of 34 contracts (and players), picking up Jerome James for cash was a no-brainer with the old Portland GM gone now. Donnie knows what he's doing and we'll see a younger team (avg age is 24) on the court this year.


    • Re: The Official Summer League game thread

      Watched the first quarter (I'll tape it all later) of the NY/WSH game which featured Jerome Jordan vs Ndiaye, Fields of course, Rautins, and the sparkling new Bill Walker which is just great to see.

      I see now why Jordan is "struggling", he's releasing way too soon on PnR and he has no timing with his guards yet. 2 examples:

      1) He and Rautins run a nice PnR and Rautins makes a really nice return bounce pass that goes about 2 feet in front of Jordan. Let them play together a bit more and this is an ATM play, just keep hitting it up for cash over and over.

      2) He got good mid-post position, very similar look to his Tulsa style, and drew big coverage. So he smartly kicked it for the deeper repost....except the reentry never came back. That's not his mistake, that's on the guard at that point. I've seen him work that repost in the middle before and what happens when you hit him on it is that he goes instantly into the spin and right to the rim. He was left standing there with empty waiting hands up. Frustrating.

      I'm not trying to excuse him at all. What I'm saying is that this kid has a strong game just waiting to burst out as his understanding of the team, and their understanding of him start to click. With D'Antoni there I think that's definitely going to happen.

      Fields is a lot like Sam Young. A dynamic scoring wing but iffy on defense. Young at least recovers pretty well on defense, Fields not so much. Fields is also a bit sloppier with the ball, plays a little too loose. But he's got a killer shot on the move and closely guarded. Walsh reached because he could have had him for cheaper IMO.

      I still like Rautins. I realize he might be top end Diener, but he's got some leadership to him, passes the ball very well, and can make his own shot. NYK might have got him for free too if they'd let him slide, but I don't mind that pick as much as Fields. He was one of my PG sleeper targets.

      Bill Walker is just killing it. I really liked him as a target two years ago and compared his game to S Jack. The way his 3 ball is rolling and at his lighter weight I think he's passing up Jackson's top end, at least as a scorer. Passing is not at that level yet.

      Ndiaye also looks just as good as I've thought all along. Don't get the low interest or the low PT. He's not a go to scorer as Jordan can be, but for a shot blocker he's not a bad offensive player. At this point I like Nydiaye more than Thabeet, and Memphis is really trying to make HT work. So why wouldn't someone want to do the same with Nydiaye? IDK, stumps me.

      Nydiaye had a killer full extension dunk, the kind that makes you appreciate the impact of length and power. Give a kid like that any kind of space to the rim and it's poster time. You must stay between him and the rim.

      I also still like Jordan and Nydiaye more than Rolle.

      From the MEM/MIN game, Young looking good as mentioned, but I was surprised to see Ellington with an improved offensive game. I did think of him as the most NBA athletic type from that UNC team, but still borderline. He might yet make it if he can maintain that level of scoring.

      And freaking Vasquez, he just seems very problematic to me. He's unfortunately reinforcing why I cooled on him down the stretch. He forces his own action way too much, dribbles himself into problems, and for the most part in this game his good stuff came only off the work of other players.

      Booker - I feel pretty confident now that I was right to like his game. It's going to change the NBA I think to have so many undersized PF types with enough agility to play some caliber of SF. Lawal, Aminu and Booker being the primary examples.

      Speaking of those types, another one making an impression is Jeff Adrien. We saw him with the Magic in Orlando but he's continued on in Vegas too. For a guy as strong and broad shouldered as he is, he's pretty smooth off his own dribble. He's not quite dialed in, he sometimes tries to do stuff he can't quite pull off. But his strength and rebounding are nice assets and his offense is good enough to not be a major problem while he's out there.

      Not sure who's going to sign him but it would seem like some team will. I wouldn't mind picking him up for basically nothing just to help fill out the frontline depth.
      Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 07-17-2010, 05:23 PM.


      • Re: The Official Summer League game thread

        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post

        Speaking of those types, another one making an impression is Jeff Adrien. We saw him with the Magic in Orlando but he's continued on in Vegas too. For a guy as strong and broad shouldered as he is, he's pretty smooth off his own dribble. He's not quite dialed in, he sometimes tries to do stuff he can't quite pull off. But his strength and rebounding are nice assets and his offense is good enough to not be a major problem while he's out there.

        Not sure who's going to sign him but it would seem like some team will. I wouldn't mind picking him up for basically nothing just to help fill out the frontline depth.
        I thought Adrien was too small to be able to play in the NBA. But I think I was wrong.

        When Blair did as well as he did, it made me reconsider that stance. And now watching Adrien play as well as he has been, I think he could possibly be a roation player. He's certainly earned a training camp contract offer.

        He's a bruiser, good rebounder (has extremely long arms, despite his size.) I think good offensive post players would take advantage of him though. (Granted, he could just be overly physical *coughTylercough* because the best offensive post players tend to be finese players)


        • Re: The Official Summer League game thread

          He can't start because at times the disadvantages of his height will hurt, but he can bring you 15 minutes of physical play from the bench. Right now he's farther along than Joey Dorsey who I thought would be more of this type himself.

          I think in this case some Euro play helped because he's clearly improved his offensive skills.

          BTW in all this summer talk I either missed it or it didn't get discussed much, but the Pacers at least dodged the "Tyler bullet" this year. Udoh was a great target and I certainly would have drafted him had he made it to the Pacers spot, but now he's out 6 months to recover from wrist injury.

          See people, the bad luck happens to other teams as well.


          • Re: The Official Summer League game thread

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
            See people, the bad luck happens to other teams as well.
            Anytime I start feeling sorry for the Pacers, I think about Darko and Kwame...or Oden...or the fact Granger dropped to us and Pacer management was smart enough not to go with Gerald Green. The Pacers don't pick that badly in the draft and have not been that unlucky sans the brawl era guys.

            Rome was not built in a day...especially if it were 10 feet under sand.


            • Re: The Official Summer League game thread

              Jeff Adrien played for the team I kind of root for in Spain. They're in the 2nd division, not in the ACB, and he was far from dominant there. His rebounding suffers a bit against better competition and in the NBA he'll be a massive defensive liability vs 9/10 of his counterparts which will turn off most coaches. I think he needs more seasoning, needs to expand the range of his game more (he improved there during last season) and also mature mentally.

              From those Euro-based bigs that can be talked into non-guaranteed contracts who have been playing the Summer League, I think the most ready to contribute for a NBA team is James Augustine. Decent defender and rebounder who knows how to stay out of the way on the offensive end and score efficiently. Should be very solid as a minute filler for someone.


              • Re: The Official Summer League game thread

                Originally posted by TooBigNdaPaint View Post
                Obviously, Mike D'Antoni wanted the #38 and #39 picks as 'spacers' on the court. Since Donnie has already presided over the demolition of 34 contracts (and players), picking up Jerome James for cash was a no-brainer with the old Portland GM gone now. Donnie knows what he's doing and we'll see a younger team (avg age is 24) on the court this year.

                Spacers? The type that will take up space on the end of the bench. If Walsh knew what he was doing, he would have gotten more than Amare and Felton. Unless Walsh makes some deal, NY will be pressed to win more games next season than the Pacers.


                • Re: The Official Summer League game thread

                  ...are you implying that Donnie Walsh doesn't know what he's doing?

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                  • Re: The Official Summer League game thread

                    Originally posted by Chuck Chillout View Post
                    McRoberts becomes a much more complete, dangerous player if he develops a reliable 3 pt. shot.

                    His handle, play-making, and exceptional finishing ability all become consistent weapons in his arsenal on close-outs. The coaching staff is wanting him to play to his strengths.
                    Exactly. He's got a high BBall IQ and is only 23 - what kept him from extended PT the last couple of years was the spaceouts and the lack of a jumper. He'll need a good midrange two dribbles in from the arc as well. The comparison to Frye may not do justice to McR, in fact, because Josh can make a play for a teammate. He's ideal for the Pacers' offense because of his versatility (assuming his eFG can keep the defense honest, of course). I think he's more versatile than Rashard or Bargnani, too, but let's not get ahead of ourselves; at any rate 500 reps a day, "one on zero", in Mr. Vogel's felicitous phrase, is the way to find out. Good luck to him!

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