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I think with Simmons you'd have to have four excellent shooters around him consistently. Read a post somewhere - this thread (?) / ATL v. Philly (?) - where CJ Jones said play Simmons at small-ball 5. I'm all for it. Neither Domas nor Turner shoot consistently well enough anyway. No more Turbonis and Ben at 5. Only way I'd entertain it. And even then I'm not jazzed about the idea. Owed a boatload and can't shoot outside 5 feet.I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
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So we're going to let one bad playoff series define him going forward? It happens. LeBron James had a bad playoff series. Like someone else said before, the lessen the pressure off him, and he could become a great player. The only thing that you hope for is that he doesn't become another Nick Anderson situation.
Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?Comment
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These last 2 playoffs makes you think he can be effective? Let's stop acting like Simmons just entered the league. Fixing his jump shot is basically starting at ground zero. He'll be 40 by the time he is respectable from mid-range.
It's pretty sad that his shooting hasn't even improved one bit. He can be in the gym shooting all day and have people rebounding for him. Gotta question that work ethic.Comment
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Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?Comment
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No, of course not. But many of the same things happened against Toronto two years ago as well. It's really hard to figure out where he should play in the 4th quarter of a playoff game and Philly has often resorted to putting him in the dunkers spot doing basically nothing.
I think there are teams that Simmons could thrive on, but it would take certain types of players to make up for his immense weaknesses and allow him to focus on his great strengths. Philly is not that team and neither is Indiana.Comment
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Thatโs my biggest concern with Sabonis and Ben. That is a disaster waiting to happen, especially with LeVert also being there. Teams already pack the paint in the playoffs, and weโd be giving them a free player.
I can think of a few scenarios where itโd be good to have Simmons, but teaming with Sabonis isnโt one of them. It has to be four other guys who could shoot. Unfortunately, the players who can shoot are the ones weโre proposing in trades.Comment
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Y'all are talking about how Ben is a LeVert or Brogdon level player without understanding how good Ben is in on D. The dude was 1st team all NBA defensive... plus the guy has amazing court vision. He is a 6'11" point guard... I mean come on... Of course you trade for him if he is available. He has a bad jumper and free throw problems. That can be improved. If he develops a jump shot he becomes a HOF.Comment
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I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.Comment
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both sabonis and simmons are very good passers, question is how do you weigh
1) sabonis' complete incompetence on defense vs simmons complete incompetence on offense
2) simmons bad ft shooting vs simmons' better handles
plus then simmons makes 10M more...
it's somewhat close, but i don't think i'd do it...Comment
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Forget all about it people. Philly has a 'plan'.
Philadelphia 76ers have plan to address Ben Simmons' shooting woes, Doc Rivers says (espn.com)
Yup - Ben's gonna be a 60/50/95 guy next season.. . . . . . . but the Sixers have a plan to address his shooting woes that will involve doing "the right work," and doing it "the right way."Comment
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Showing some video highlight of Ben Simmons showing him score 42 points isn't going to go very far to convince people with legit concerns about Simmons. There's an entire Playoff series that just finished that shows the complete opposite of these highlights while showing that he has a lot of glaring offensive weaknesses that cannot be ignored.
That being said, I will default to my initial post. I agree with most of what you have said. The Pacers have to gamble in order to improve this Team and one of the key things that the Pacers have to fix is not having a floor general to run the offense through.
If it costs the Pacers Myles ( or Brogdon ) + Lamb + Justin ( and maybe even Aaron ) while getting back Philly's 1st along with Simmons? I'd strongly consider it.
Anything more? Pass.
Last edited by CableKC; 06-21-2021, 04:32 PM.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Simmons isn't an elite player, he's just paid like one. The most important skill in the NBA is still shooting. You can't be a PG, or damn near any position, and be a complete non-threat from more than 10 feet. He's 5 of 34 from 3 in 9326 minutes of basketball, and he misses free throws at an elite level. The funny thing is the people calling for Simmons are the ones who would crucify him the most for being, well, Ben Simmons.Danger ZoneComment
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