The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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  • When did Ben Simmons become a superstar?

    Philly fans are running his *** out of town right now.


    • I like it.

      2. Indiana Pacers

      Pacers acquire: Ben Simmons

      76ers acquire: Malcolm Brogdon, T.J. Warren

      Indiana is in need of change. Five consecutive first-round exits dating back to 2016 followed by an embarrassing play-in tournament performance signal that the franchise is moving in the wrong direction. There are bright spots on the roster in two-time All-Star Domantas Sabonis and Caris LeVert. Simmons could replace Brogdon as the primary creator and defer to LeVert as the primary scoring option. Simmons would be a defensive upgrade for a team that allowed back-to-back 140-point outings to end its season.

      Brogdon has improved every year since winning Rookie of the Year in 2017 (ironically, over Embiid) and is a viable scorer and playmaker. He averaged a career-best 21.2 points per game this year and, most importantly for Philadelphia, he’s a capable three-point shooter and an excellent free throw shooter. His attempts (tied for a team-high 17.5 per game in Indiana) would likely fall off with a score-first option down low in Embiid, but he’s proven to be efficient without as much volume as he saw last season.

      3. Portland Trail Blazers

      Trail Blazers acquire: Ben Simmons

      76ers acquire: CJ McCollum

      McCollum’s name has been brought up in trade discussions for years. At times, that inclusion didn’t seem fair to the consistent 20-points-per-game scorer. But just like it’s time for Philadelphia to make changes, that process has already begun in Portland with the departure of coach Terry Stotts.

      Simmons presents a radical change to a roster that has timed out and has a bona fide superstar in Damian Lillard under contract through 2025. He’s also a defensive upgrade for a team without much prowess on that side of the ball. He’d be welcome help in guarding the superstar forwards that dot the Western Conference.

      McCollum doesn’t replace Simmons’s ability as a playmaker and is a massive downgrade defensively. But he’s a proven scorer who could feasibly play alongside Embiid. In a small sample size playing without Lillard (30 games), McCollum averages 6.2 assists per game, nearly double his career average. He’d need to be a creator in this role for Philadelphia and he’s shown that he can be.
      4. Chicago Bulls

      Bulls acquire: Ben Simmons, 2022 second-round pick

      76ers acquire: Zach LaVine, Tom?š Satoransk?

      Trading for Nikola Vučević in late March did not put an end to the Bulls’ playoff drought. Trading for Simmons this offseason could. It would be difficult for Chicago to part ways with LaVine after his first All-Star season, but moving forward with Simmons in place of LaVine is a big defensive upgrade in the backcourt alongside Coby White. Perhaps Simmons could work better with a big like Vučević, who is a bit more comfortable than Embiid playing on the perimeter.

      LaVine gives Philadelphia necessary scoring from the perimeter and is a true volume shooter. He averaged a career-high 27.4 points per game this season on fewer shots than the year before thanks to a leap in his three-point efficiency. LaVine has experience playing alongside offensive centers with Karl-Anthony Towns in Minnesota as well as a few months with Vučević. Embiid would be the best player LaVine has played with and the move to Philadelphia would all but guarantee his first postseason appearance.
      5. Golden State Warriors

      Warriors acquire: Ben Simmons

      76ers acquire: Andrew Wiggins, 2022 first-round pick, ’23 second-round pick

      It’s difficult to see Morey trading for a player with Wiggins’s reputation as somewhat of an inefficient scorer, but the former Rookie of the Year turned in his most efficient shooting season in his first full season with the Warriors. Not being the first option with a running mate like Stephen Curry benefited Wiggins, and he’d be similarly deferential to Embiid in Philadelphia. Though not the same caliber defender as Simmons, Wiggins is an improved and capable wing defender. Of all of the potential trades, this presents the biggest net loss in ballhandling and playmaking for Philadelphia, a gap that would have to be filled elsewhere.

      Simmons and Draymond Green make up a daunting defensive tandem. And Steve Kerr might be able to unlock Simmons on offense, whatever that may look like. Playing with Curry and Klay Thompson would certainly help on that front, though. It’s possible that adding Simmons to the mix in Golden State would be too many cooks in the kitchen, but given Curry and Thompson’s otherworldly ability to move without the ball and knock down threes on command, the addition could work.
      6. San Antonio Spurs

      Spurs acquire: Ben Simmons

      76ers acquire: DeMar DeRozan (sign and trade), Lonnie Walker IV, 2022 first-round pick

      DeRozan helped drag a very young and promising Spurs squad to the play-in tournament. But he doesn’t make sense in San Antonio long-term alongside the ascending frontcourt of Dejounte Murray and Derrick White. Bringing in Simmons to replace DeRozan makes San Antonio much younger and adds an elite defender to a roster with rangy wings like Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell.

      In Philadelphia, DeRozan can settle in as a reliable No. 2 option alongside Embiid. Less of the burden to score will be placed on him, and he can continue to improve as a playmaker. In three seasons in San Antonio, DeRozan averaged more than six assists per game compared with 3.1 per game during his first nine years in Toronto. The cast in Philadelphia is a clear upgrade for DeRozan and presents him an opportunity to go further than his Raptors squad ever did in the 2010s. Walker has improved tremendously in three years in the league, quadrupling his scoring average from his rookie year to this past season. He cut out a role as a part-time starter in San Antonio, and could provide depth and shooting for the 76ers.

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      Ben Simmons: Six trades 76ers should consider - Sports Illustrated
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      • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post



        • Originally posted by owl View Post
          For everyone complaining about how much Simmons is paid, remember what the Pacers were going to pay for a often broken Gordon Hayward
          And thank god we didn't


          • I'm for Simmons if you move on from Turner and Sabonis. Go to a full open court style, need to trade Brogdon as well. It would be a full rebuild on the fly.

            My initial thought is Brogdon + Whatever to get Simmons

            Turner + whatever to get McCollum

            Probably moving our lottery pick in this scenario as well to make deals happen. Move Sabonis in a separate deal for someone who can space the floor or play more open, maybe V finallys get Jerami Grant plus something else from Detroit? Lol

            You'd essentially be rebuilding the team with a misfit toys of other teams but it's more intriguing than playing with our own misfit toys.


            • I have been dealing with subpoints, so let me say something on the main point. I have no problem trading for Simmons because he could be a superstar with the exact right team. I think if conditions are right they probably should trade for him.

              But if the Pacers trade for him, they need to start aggressively shaping that right team. That's going to involve dealing Sabonis. It's going to involve trying to get a dynamic guard that can stretch the defense with his shooting. It's going to involve getting a center who can shoot, whether it's Turner or someone else (Porzingis if he didn't have the massive deal would be a fascinating partner with Simmons).


              • The Spurs saying they would trade anyone on their roster for Simmons would be like the Pacers saying they would trade McConnell for Simmons. Outside of Derozan the Spurs don't have much beyond a couple rapidly aging stars, and run of the mill starters.


                • Originally posted by 712Jefferson View Post
                  And you'd be trading for him while his value is relatively LOW.
                  But here's another thing, his value being low doesn't help us, since we don't have anywhere near 30M of **** contracts (yes, @V, I know what u are gonna say). So we'd be giving up legit players to get him, regardless of his value around the league. If we had Al Jeff and a suspended Monta Ellis on the books, different story.


                  • Yes to Brogdan being involved in the trade, no to Warren. I can see Portland getting involved and wanting Turner or Sabo. Which makes for a very tough decision. Turner is probably a better choice with Simmons; however losing our 2 top scorers from last year hurts if we send Sabo. I'd send Turner and hope we can get either a 1st from Portland or Philly. If we miss out on Jones, we package our 2 picks to see if we can get him.

                    Simmons/LeVert/Warren/Jones/Sabo. Good mix of offense and defense. However, 3 point shooting will be severely lacking. But we will have Sumner, J.Ho, Lamb (would trade him also if possible), Martin, Brissett and A.Ho (if he can find his shot again) coming off the bench to shoot the 3 ball. Doug would be nice here but still would keep TJM over him.


                    • Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post
                      Yes to Brogdan being involved in the trade, no to Warren. I can see Portland getting involved and wanting Turner or Sabo. Which makes for a very tough decision. Turner is probably a better choice with Simmons; however losing our 2 top scorers from last year hurts if we send Sabo. I'd send Turner and hope we can get either a 1st from Portland or Philly. If we miss out on Jones, we package our 2 picks to see if we can get him.

                      Simmons/LeVert/Warren/Jones/Sabo. Good mix of offense and defense. However, 3 point shooting will be severely lacking. But we will have Sumner, J.Ho, Lamb (would trade him also if possible), Martin, Brissett and A.Ho (if he can find his shot again) coming off the bench to shoot the 3 ball. Doug would be nice here but still would keep TJM over him.
                      I don't know who Jones is (Derrick Jones Jr.?) but that's a tragic lineup in terms of shooting the 3...just no way that flies in today's nba.


                      • Giannis making it to the finals in a couple of weeks is going to make GM's dream that they can win it all with Ben Simmons, his value might be low but not that low.
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                        • does he speak with an australian accent, say "crikey" and stuff? if so, i would be more in favor of a trade


                          • And I'm sorry to Turner fans but your dream of moving Sabonis because you can't deal with the thought of moving your mancrush Softner by himself is not happening.

                            Also the myth of Turner been some type of reliable shooter is just that a myth, him and Pork are two of the worse pretenders to be shooters in the league.

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