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  • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

    It's not the number of passes that matter. It's the quality. Myles' "passes" are very often dump offs within a few feet of a guard which doesn't accomplish anything...or actually is a negative because our other players need to restart the offensive flow.
    I already responded to that part. Both Domas and Myles have a lot of those dump off passes but it's by design since this is how DHOs work.

    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    You bring up another thing about Myles' game. He can't dribble which hurts his ability to move the ball.
    I wouldn't say he can't dribble. He just isn't as good at keeping his dribble alive under pressure as Domas is. Does that hurt his ability to move the ball in those DHOs? Yes, it does hurt it a bit.

    But you're missing the part where Myles has been steadily improving at it. He wasn't able to dribble at all when he came into the league. Heck, he was barely able to run then. But he has worked on it and he has become better. I expect him to keep improving on that aspect and he's at a point where he simply doesn't hurt our ball movement. Our starting lineup is bad due to DC and Thad, not due to Myles. Our last game was a serious indication of that because even with Domas in there, the starters struggled.

    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    But you are missing my point. In my post I was talking about whether Domas and Myles could be "the future"...not if they are best for "the present". I am relatively OK with twin towers until we can find a combination that I think can take us to the next level (contention).
    And here's where we differ. I believe that the Domas/Myles pairing is the combination that can take us to the next level in the future. I also don't consider it a twin towers lineup. Twin towers lineups are supposed to consist of two huge, hulking players. That's usually two 7 footers that are quite slow. Myles is 6'11.5 in shoes while Domas is a bit above 6'10 in shoes. Neither of them is a 7 footer although Myles does come close. Neither of them is slow either. Domas, in particular, is a lot more mobile than most people give him credit (probably due to the stereotype that Euro bigs lack mobility) and he worked on his body this summer precisely because he expected to be tasked to defend PFs.

    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    Also, the knock I had on Myles' shooting is that we need him to stretch the floor because Domas needs to be posting up and closer to the basket. You CANNOT have Myles with Domas in the post and expect to spread the floor. The Pacers need Myles on the perimeter and right now his shooting is flat out horrible from there. That's just one of the 4 issues I raised in my post. He has to be able to stretch the floor or he will hurt Dipo and Domas' PnR options...Domas' post-ups...and Dipo's drive to the rim.

    So...get him to shoot the 3 and I might hop on board that train for the long term. But he has to regularly hit it at 35% or preferably better. Right now he's not close.
    Right and I replied to that point as well. In the few minutes that these two have played together, we haven't been using them well. We don't have Myles spotting up in the corner when Dipo and Domas run the PnR up top. That's evident from the amount of corner 3s that Myles has shot (only 1). It's on Nate to use them correctly because so far this lineup has been misused on the offensive end (when it gets the chance to play together).

    Also, it's important to note that in the last 4 games before the injury Myles was shooting 30.3% from 3 on 3.3 attempts per game. Earlier in the season he was barely shooting 3s but in those games he had the green light to shoot them and he did a considerably better job at it. If we keep giving Myles the green light to shoot 3s he'll shoot much better than his current percentage. Shooters need to shoot to get into a rhythm. You can't expect to have them take just 1 3 per game (that's where Myles was before that 4-game stretch) and expect them to shoot a good percentage.
    People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

    Originally posted by IrishPacer
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    • Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

      Since you mentioned my name here, allow me to reply. Yeah, I backed Roy just like I will back every Pacer Center. I like Centers. I've never denied it. They are usually the anchor of a team's defense and that's what matters the most to me in basketball. Defense. I've never tried to hide that either. I have consistently said that defense is the first thing I look for and that's one of the reason why I always liked defensive-minded players.

      Now, back to the topic at hand.
      I agree defense is critical. I used to support Hibbert until it became obvious.....to me at least....that he was done. Yet we went months discussing this until finally I was proven right.

      Now I am saying a Myles and Domas tandem isn't the answer unless Myles becomes an effective 3 point shooter on offense. Not some of the time...most of the time. He needs to do that or it isn't going to work. If he does, we might find common ground. So far this year, 20% isn't getting it done. We move to year #5 of the Myles Turner experiment next year....
      Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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      • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        I agree defense is critical. I used to support Hibbert until it became obvious.....to me at least....that he was done. Yet we went months discussing this until finally I was proven right.
        Yeah but the issue with Roy was never about his playing abilities. It was a combination of a drastically-changing league (which remember, only changed after the Warriors won it in the same summer that we moved on from Roy) and a very important personal issue that none could have predicted (PG sleeping with Roy's girl).

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        Now I am saying a Myles and Domas tandem isn't the answer unless Myles becomes an effective 3 point shooter on offense. Not some of the time...most of the time. He needs to do that or it isn't going to work. If he does, we might find common ground. So far this year, 20% isn't getting it done. We move to year #5 of the Myles Turner experiment next year....
        20% isn't going to be his number at the end of the season. We can make a bet on that. He didn't shoot 34.8% in his second season and 35.7% in his third season, just to suddenly decline in the fourth season without a reason. His numbers will normalize once again and be above 33%.
        People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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        • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

          I agree defense is critical. I used to support Hibbert until it became obvious.....to me at least....that he was done. Yet we went months discussing this until finally I was proven right.

          Now I am saying a Myles and Domas tandem isn't the answer unless Myles becomes an effective 3 point shooter on offense. Not some of the time...most of the time. He needs to do that or it isn't going to work. If he does, we might find common ground. So far this year, 20% isn't getting it done. We move to year #5 of the Myles Turner experiment next year....
          He only takes about 1.5 threes per game, so yes his percentage is low, but the difference between this years percentage and last years is 4 makes over the first 19 games. He will have a good stretch where a few fall and he will be right there, I do think he needs to take at least 3-4 per game though to get in a better rhythm.

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          • Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

            Yeah but the issue with Roy was never about his playing abilities. It was a combination of a drastically-changing league (which remember, only changed after the Warriors won it in the same summer that we moved on from Roy) and a very important personal issue that none could have predicted (PG sleeping with Roy's girl).

            lol, this didn't actually happen

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            • Originally posted by dal9 View Post
              lol, this didn't actually happen
              oh right- It was Lance!
              "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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              • Originally posted by dal9 View Post
                lol, this didn't actually happen
                The insider info I've heard says otherwise
                People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

                Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                • My observations from this game(watching from the stands):

                  - The team missed Myles presence in lane, especially on defense. If he plays, the game is much closer and possibly a win.
                  - Sabonis played alright, went through a more intense pregame workout( have to think his ankle was a little sore so he had lost a little step during the game)
                  - I was a big fan of the Tyreke signing, however I am running out of hope for him. He has the green light when Vic is playing(still shoots like 12 shots per game), he has an even greener light when Vic isn't playing(shooting 1-12 WEILL NOT CUT IT). Dude is very lazy on defense and to much dribbling with the ball outside of a PnR.
                  - Aaron needs to continue to get meaningful minutes. Needs 8 to 12 mins per game not during the end of the game when either team is winning by double digits and opportunities for additional minutes if Collison and/or Tyreke are playing downright bad which could push his meaningful minutes closer to 15 to 18 minutes per game.

                  On to Utah, really hope Myles plays. I do not think Vic plays.
                  Pauuuuuuul George for Threeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhhhh!

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                  • Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                    Let's be clear I've never been a fan of Myles. I've only ever been cautiously optimistic because I want every player the Pacers draft to be the best player they can be.
                    And who doesn't want that?

                    My proposal is to make him our backup center for the next ten years if possible, I don't think he is an starter but he could be a great backup like Ian.
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                      Memphis has been winning games but I donít expect that to last, you need offense to win in the NBA specially on the Western Conference.

                      Funny note, Memphis is not missing Tyreke that much is like his numbers were good because he was on a trash team or something.
                      I tend to agree with ya Vin, however this has been a staple wiht Memphis , and I will go on record and say the finish with either the 7th or 8th seed in the WC
                      Sittin on top of the world!

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                      • Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post

                        I tend to agree with ya Vin, however this has been a staple wiht Memphis , and I will go on record and say the finish with either the 7th or 8th seed in the WC
                        They just lost to NY yesterday , my prediction is they don't make playoffs as you have teams like Houston, Utah and SA that are going to move up as expected.
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                        • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                          They just lost to NY yesterday , my prediction is they don't make playoffs as you have teams like Houston, Utah and SA that are going to move up as expected.
                          Gentleman's bet on that?
                          Sittin on top of the world!

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