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I gotta admit, we really missed Myles tonight. Aldridge wouldn't have done that with Myles out there. We had nobody to guard him.
The Rules of Pacers Digest
Hello everyone,
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?"
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*""Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?
"In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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I just noticed Tyreke is shooting 37% from the field. That's just gross. Doesn't stop him from trying.Lifelong pacers fanComment
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Turner supporters have some legitimate reasons to talk about his impact on games.
However the way they are galavanting around after this game is akin to a person holding up a broken clock that reads 6:15 at precisely that time to declare its accuracy. Then once that moment is passed, the we all have to wait awhile before the clock is useful again.
He would have helped tonight for sure, but c’mon....the way people are acting its as if he had his best game of the season in the only one he hasn’t played.
Myles would have helped, but unless they were going to let him play on stilts, no one was stopping those Aldridge fade-aways.
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I do not believe that Aldridge scoring well is an anomaly. Domas will always have problems down low on defense against bigger opponents.
Myles length has an effect.
Should Domas start? Absolutely but he needs some help on the front line.
This team needs both of Domas and Myles and maybe a better scoring version of Young
And after all the incessant complaining about the starters getting down early and all that needed to happen was start Domas and then the same thing happen?
Ironic at least. Bottom line is that Myles is not the issue there. There is a lack of offense on the current starting five and Domas was not enough to overcome that either.{o,o}
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Originally posted by ]owl View Post
Lets see, the starting center last night had 19,16 and 4, he did more than an amazing job replacing the starting center that is averaging a putrid 11/5 this year.
So the starting center last night was not an issue.
Now if you and others want to say that Myles > Quinn and our backup last night was kind of trash then you might have a point (I have been advocating for MT to be the backup for life if possible),
And like in the Hornets game there is nothing Myles could have done to make them stop shooting 3’s.
And there is nothing he co have done to make Pacers shoot better than 12.5% from 3.Last edited by vnzla81; 11-24-2018, 10:22 AM.@WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!
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The starting Center has never been the issue. It's one of the few positions (along with the SG spot) where we have an advantage in most games. Myles is a good player and Domas is a very good player. We have never lost a game due to either one of the two.Originally posted by vnzla81 View PostOriginally posted by IrishPacer
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Yeah, because our inside defence totally wasn't an issue either with say Lamarcus..... but, hey this is what YOU wanted to see, remember mr. selective memory? Mr. Trash wasnt on the floor so you can't put the blame on him this time.Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws
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Of course it has been an issue it’s ridiculous to think otherwise, Myles is average at best (he is on the bottom of starting centers in the league).Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
And it wouldn’t be an issue if the Pacers were the Golden State Warriors so he could be their McGee but they are not so they need a center that can give them more than the putrid numbers of 11/5, I mean Sabo gave us 19,16,4 that is what we need from that position , specially as the Pacers themselves need to get out of been one of the worse offensive teams in the league.
And nope nuntius I’m not going to fire Nate and replace the front office so we play a “twin towers” lineup that is not the solution.
By the way there is Nothing a backup center and Nate could have done last night to make aTyreke Evans look decent or DC not to look washed nothing.Last edited by vnzla81; 11-24-2018, 10:19 AM.@WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!Comment
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Originally posted by Mourning View Post
Yeah lets pretend Lamarcus is some scrub that came out of nowhere so we can push a backup center agenda.
Lets also pretend SA wasn’t playing with two all stars vs non stars on the other side so we can keep pushing the “omg we need Myles” agenda.
edit: Let’s also pretend Sabo didn’t have 19,16,4 against him either.Last edited by vnzla81; 11-24-2018, 10:38 AM.@WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!Comment
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Domas played on one leg and you take his game as an example. I can take this game as an example too: Domas is not a starting C with Myles in Indiana. He is a starting PF. And even on one leg Domas tried to do everything to win this game - score a little, rebound, set multiple screens for Reke, Bogie, DC and anybody else. Starting DC is becoming a problem. Not starting Domas is a crime. If Domas was 100% Aldridge would have a much worse day. For me it was visible from the start that Domas not 100%.Originally posted by Bricklayer View Post
Starters should be CoJo, Dipo, Bogie, Domas and Myles. Simple as that or Nate, take an exit. I'm getting tired of these games with no fire to fight and no quality to do anything. DC, Reke, McWho? did nothing positive on the floor. DC, sorry dude, but you are not a starter in the NBA anymore.12-12-2018, 09:20 PM
Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"
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What we need from the starting Center (and any player, really) is consistent impact on both ends of the floor. That's exactly what we're getting from our starting Center but it's not what we're getting out of every starter. And no, the box-score is not going to always properly gauge that impact. Let's take today's game by Domas as an example. You just mentioned his stats but even the biggest Domas supporters (like Peck and Diamond Dave) agreed that he didn't have as great of a game as his stats indicated. And that's because even though he scored 19 points himself he allowed Aldridge to score at least 20 of his 33 points on him (10 of LMA's 14 baskets were directly against Domas). You see, defense matters. You can pretend that it doesn't matter all you want but that will never be the case. And that's not to say that Domas isn't a good defender. No, Domas is usually a very solid defender. He just wasn't 100% tonight and due to the fact that we were also missing Myles he was very conscious in not picking up fouls to start the game which allowed LMA to get into a rhythm. That's all that a player like LMA really needs.Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
It's also interesting that you think we're one of the worst offensive teams in the league. The stats don't bear that out. We are 18th in the league in Offensive Rating and that's after the steady offensive dip of the past 10 games (in those past 10 games we have indeed been one of the worst offensive teams in the league as we rank 26th in Offensive Rating during that time span). That indicates that earlier in the season we were pretty good offensively. And indeed if one checks how we did in October (8 games, 5-3 record) they will see that our offense was ranked 8th in the league during that month. So, basically our offense started off very well but now we have seen a big dip which places us a bit below league average right now. We definitely aren't one of the worst offensive teams in the league but we can be better than what we currently are. We were better than what we currently are so we know that it's possible.
The key here is to locate why we haven't been playing well offensively lately. We certainly aren't starting our 5 best players day in and day out which plays a role. But we didn't do that at the start of the season either and yet we played well on the offensive end back then. What changed? In my opinion, what has changed the most is the off-ball player movement. We started off the season by moving off the ball a lot and lately we haven't done a good job at it. If this isn't on the coach then I don't know what is.Originally posted by IrishPacer
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Reality is Pacers are not changing anything their goal is to be in the position they are right and they are not going to jeopardize their jobs to make any upgrades any time soon.
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Funny thing is you talk up about you watching so many games, including those from other teams, and like to pad yourself on the back for it.... yet, your comments often make me think you only look at statsheets. You STRUCTURALLY talk up crap defensive players with statistically significant offensive numbers and chastice players with defensive impact. It's not new either, you have been doing it for yearssss (hia Monta). Bet you LOVED Murphy!Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
On Lamarcus, was't this his 2nd best game of the season with WELL over 30 points, but hey we had someone who defended him who scored 19 pts...wooptiedoo... To make this very clear for you and to prevent you from changing the story that I hate Domas: Doma's is my 2nd favorite player on the team and Myles isn't nr.1.
I do agree that Darren needs to get his butt on the bench and Corey (my favorite player on the team) should start. I believe Myles and Domas need to play way more minutes together, depending on opposition, but I'm not out on them starting together all the time. Our biggeet need next offseason imho is a swingman who can defend the perimeter, can hit a 3 pointer with a a good rate, doesn't shy away from contact, can cut to the rim, can move without the ball and doesn't have to dominate the ball to be effective (goodluck finding that player, I know).
I expect Collison, Evans and Kyle (though I would like to keep him) to have another home at the start of the 2019-2020 season. Doug.... I wasnt happy with that signing and I'm still not, but he's such an ineffective player this season for us that I really think the way we use him is not the way we should be using him, so I support the call for having one or two plays that should be run for him and he had better show something if we do.
Oh, and our 3point shooting, inside AND outside defence ALL were attrocious yesterday, but missing Victor and Myles really hurts.2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws
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Interestingly, Memphis , who is dead last in offense, is 12-5 ( edit 12-6 as they lost yesterday)Originally posted by vnzla81 View PostSittin on top of the world!Comment
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Memphis has been winning games but I don’t expect that to last, you need offense to win in the NBA specially on the Western Conference.Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
Funny note, Memphis is not missing Tyreke that much is like his numbers were good because he was on a trash team or something.@WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!Comment
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LaMarcus Aldridge in particular highlights Domas' biggest weakness and Myles' main strength. That is length and shot-blocking.
The reason LaMarcus is an exception to the rule is that A) He has great length with a 7'5" wingspan, B) plays an old man's game based on that length and C) is veteran All-Star who knows how to exploit a weakness and is very skilled offensively. B is really the key here. LA uses his length unlike most other centers in the league.....and most centers in the league don't nail all three of these. Very few do actually.
We can make the excuse that Domas was injured but he wasn't last time we played San Antonio and he couldn't guard him then either. The main thing this matchup tells us is that Domas can't guard him and he will need another player to handle that role. Thad tried but he wasn't the answer. It's true that Myles would guard LA better than anyone else on the team. That's not to say Myles is better than Domas nor does it say Myles has to be the starting C for the Pacers or even that he has to be a Pacer at all. It just means that he does ONE thing better than Domas and the Pacers need someone to perform that role.
That ONE thing is blocking shots. All the Pacers need to do to start Domas is have a shot-blocker on the court with him against certain players like LA. Not everyone plays LA's game and in fact it's rare that players have the type of offensive moves that LA has which are precisely what gives Domas problems.
As for Myles, this just reinforces something we knew already...that he is a good shot-blocker. It doesn't change the fact he's an average NBA center and average only because of his defense. His offense hurts the team every...single...game.
That's not to say he's a bad player. He is pretty good. I definitely want him on the Pacers. We needed him in last night's game...or we at least needed a shot-blocker. The fact is, an Ian Mahinmi type player would fill in for Myles just fine because Ian isn't as lost on offense. But like others have said, Myles is just 22. But man, he's gone downhill since he was 20. He's got to get at least a little better on offense. I don't expect the dude to be Larry Bird 2.0 but my gosh he is a clutz on offense. That's really the problem I've always had with him. I'm fine with his defense this years. It's been very good and he's no longer pushed under the bucket. So there is hope. We will have to see if he can develop offensive skills before he's out of his prime and I don't mean a bunch of scoring! I mean having a better overall floor game including passing, court vision, awareness of his position on the floor...these are skills that are hard to teach because often times you are either born with them or not. It's why a lot of players are limited offensively and so far I see Myles exhibiting those limitations. And NO I do not expect him to be Domas on offense. I am looking for basic skills on offense...but solid at that.
None of this means I don't respect what Myles can bring defensively. We could use him in more than one circumstance with LA being about the best example.Last edited by BlueNGold; 11-24-2018, 01:52 PM.Comment
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