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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • Huge Domas fan, but I deal in facts only. The third dunk looked great, but Domas clearly grabbed Embiid's arm which would have been a foul if the refs were any good...which they're not.
    Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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    • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
      Huge Domas fan, but I deal in facts only. The third dunk looked great, but Domas clearly grabbed Embiid's arm which would have been a foul if the refs were any good...which they're not.
      I am not certain whether it is that referees are "bad"...

      ...or whether they are directed to not call fouls in any spectacular score which gets fans excited. "Entertainment" over sport. I hate that.

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      • Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post

        A lot of guys had career years last year. DC, Bojan, McDermott had a career high in min and shooting percentage, Tyreke had a resurgent year in minimal playing time. I think most of these guys are just coming back to their normal level of play. Evans also seems to be a bit out of shape to me. Anyone else notice that?
        That is not the case.

        Yes, DC had a career year from 3 point line, but now he is shooting a career worst .286. He averages .391 for his career. That isn't just coming back to normal. Normal would be shooting around .400.

        Bojan is shooting better than ever at .490 from 3.

        McDermott I don't think it was ever realistic to expect him to shoot nearly 50% like he did with Dallas, remember he only shot .387 with New York. He does have two seasons under his belt at .425. Right now he is shooting .400 so he really hasn't been shooting that bad. The problem is he just isn't getting enough opportunities to make his time on the court valuable because he is such a liability on the defensive end. He is taking 33% fewer shots than his career average. If we were getting him 6 to 8 shots per game at his current 40% mark I think people would have a better opinion of him.

        Tyreke I think we need to give him a little time. So far he has either been hot or cold. That kind of inconsistency suggests to me it might just be a thing of getting used to the new system and teammates. His assists are down for his career on a per minute and per possession basis. I'm hoping this is just an unfamiliarity thing, and that changes. If that does I expect he'll be better. I think part of the problem, though, is we are not getting our shooters involved with the bench so teams are just packing the paint making it difficult for him. If we get our shooters involved, and for defenses to respect them I suspect his overall performance will improve.

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        • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

          Can you handle the truth? Doug is the 7th highest paid player. No one playing remotely close to that number of minutes, with the exception of our second best player Domas, has a smaller commitment from the Pacers. Essentially, Doug makes double the money of anyone else and plays about 4 times as much.
          I have no idea what you are trying to say here (I mean this from a comprehension stand point, I literally do not understand what you are saying), but...Doug being the 7th highest paid player while getting the 9th most minutes on a team where Turner and Domas are still on rookie contracts sounds about right. If Turner and Domas were not on rookie contracts they would be making more than Doug, and Doug would be the 9th highest paid player playing the 9th most minutes.

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          • Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

            That is not the case.

            Yes, DC had a career year from 3 point line, but now he is shooting a career worst .286. He averages .391 for his career. That isn't just coming back to normal. Normal would be shooting around .400.

            Bojan is shooting better than ever at .490 from 3.

            McDermott I don't think it was ever realistic to expect him to shoot nearly 50% like he did with Dallas, remember he only shot .387 with New York. He does have two seasons under his belt at .425. Right now he is shooting .400 so he really hasn't been shooting that bad. The problem is he just isn't getting enough opportunities to make his time on the court valuable because he is such a liability on the defensive end. He is taking 33% fewer shots than his career average. If we were getting him 6 to 8 shots per game at his current 40% mark I think people would have a better opinion of him.

            Tyreke I think we need to give him a little time. So far he has either been hot or cold. That kind of inconsistency suggests to me it might just be a thing of getting used to the new system and teammates. His assists are down for his career on a per minute and per possession basis. I'm hoping this is just an unfamiliarity thing, and that changes. If that does I expect he'll be better. I think part of the problem, though, is we are not getting our shooters involved with the bench so teams are just packing the paint making it difficult for him. If we get our shooters involved, and for defenses to respect them I suspect his overall performance will improve.
            In regards to ďcareer yearĒ I didnít just mean shooting wise, I meant in general. Last season was a career year for DC (look at his advanced numbers like PER and WinShares, and his production in limited minutes for a starter) and Bojan. Not just shooting wise, but just in overall effectiveness.

            Mcdermott canít see the floor for long stretches because he canít guard anyone (as you mentioned). I cringe at the idea of him playing the 4, but thatís probably where heís best suited defensively right now.

            I havenít given up on Tyreke. He is coming off a season where he played minimal games. My point with him was that he probably wasnít going to replicate the kind of production he showed in limited min last year.

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            • My point is that other than DC's 3 point shooting nothing he did last year was out of the ordinary. Yes, that 3 point shooting caused some of his advance stats to spike, but otherwise he was the same player he has always been. What is abnormal for him is the way he has been playing this year. He has never played this poorly before. This season, so far, has been far more of an anomaly relative to the rest of his career than last season was.

              I'm not sure what you are expecting from Bojan, but he is just about as effective as last season in every way except his 3pt % is way up. The numbers are not significantly different, and the eye test doesn't look much different to me. If anything he looks better at driving to the basket than he did last year. His defense is about the same, which means it is hit or miss. His defense has always been match-up dependent.

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              • Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                I have no idea what you are trying to say here (I mean this from a comprehension stand point, I literally do not understand what you are saying), but...Doug being the 7th highest paid player while getting the 9th most minutes on a team where Turner and Domas are still on rookie contracts sounds about right. If Turner and Domas were not on rookie contracts they would be making more than Doug, and Doug would be the 9th highest paid player playing the 9th most minutes.
                Key word was "smaller commitment". Pacers have already committed another 72 million to Myles via extension even if he is playing for a rookie contract right now.

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                • Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post

                  I cringe at the idea of him playing the 4, but thatís probably where heís best suited defensively right now.
                  Does it matter anymore? It seems every player finds himself guarding a different position. It was always Collison on Lebron and some such. With the picks and switching, it's all garbled now. I think the future is a Simmons point guard and everyone else kinda like the freak and the center is also a 6'11 super fast and thin wiz kid.
                  "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." óKevin Pritchard press conference

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                  • Originally posted by PetPaima View Post

                    Key word was "smaller commitment". Pacers have already committed another 72 million to Myles via extension even if he is playing for a rookie contract right now.
                    Yes. I'm really wondering why this is so hard for people to understand. Take Myles. The Pacers made an agreement with him to pour 72 (or more) million dollars into his bank account over the next 4 years. Does any realize just how much money that is in such a short period of time? Who made that decision? It wasn't Nate. Nate reports to that position. Nate also makes a lot of money himself and he may or may not be able to come close to matching that if he's fired. Why in the world would he risk being fired by benching a player his boss decided to commit millions to...embarrassing his boss in the process and risking his job and his bosses job?

                    Edit: The NBA isn't as simple as other leagues where the best players always play the most minutes. You don't have these issues in college or high school. But you do in the NBA.
                    Last edited by BlueNGold; 11-09-2018, 08:22 AM.
                    Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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                    • Originally posted by PetPaima View Post

                      Key word was "smaller commitment". Pacers have already committed another 72 million to Myles via extension even if he is playing for a rookie contract right now.
                      It's not that, its a combination of a few things. The construction of the paragraph isn't focused enough to portray what it was trying to say. Leave out "Doug is the 7th highest paid player." and "our second best player", and switch "anyone else" for "everyone else" then it becomes more clear what it is trying to say.

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