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Post game #12 Pacers vs 76ers

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  • #76
    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    The coach is bad. He's a hard cap on this team. The offense is archaic. Nate is who he is, a .500 coach who can be slightly buoyed by great guard play.
    The sad thing is, heís Pritchardís guy.

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    • #77
      I am not at all going to panic, do I think we've regressed? Hell no, Vic is significantly better and so is Domas and any coach worth his salt shoudl be able to improve last year's record just based on that, but I do think our coach is going to violently hold back this team in the same way Isaiah held back the JO, Artest, Miller core for a year.


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      • #78
        I'm on record as liking Doug, I still do, but if he's going to play and only shoot 1 three every game, well that's just a damn waste of everyone's time.


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        • #79
          Yes, Domas needs to be start, but I think it's just as obvious if not more that Corey should be starting over DC. The starters need that guy who forces opposing team mistakes and doesn't make a ton of his own.

          Thad, well it's tough to criticize him on twitter because his wife is an all watching eye (whcih hey I get it, stick up for your man), but he's sucked this year. He's gotten a lot of credit for his intangible plays, but my god how many times has he missed easy shots or lost the ball in transition or out of a post up? It's infuriating. He's been taking from the team at least as much as he gives so far this season. It's annoying as hell.


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          • #80
            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
            I am not at all going to panic, do I think we've regressed? Hell no, Vic is significantly better and so is Domas and any coach worth his salt shoudl be able to improve last year's record just based on that, but I do think our coach is going to violently hold back this team in the same way Isaiah held back the JO, Artest, Miller core for a year.
            I'm not a Nate guy at all, but I don't think the offense is a problem. My biggest criticism is that he's playing the wrong player combos and subbing at the wrong times. In each of our losses, our movement/passing hae disappeared, and I think our players' bad summer habits are the biggest issue with our offense. It works great most of the time.

            My biggest disappointment last night was how poorly the CoJo/Vic/Evans/Myles/Domas combo played together and the consequence of not seeing that lineup as much as we need to. Evans really stunk in the second half. I've referenced it before but haven't flat out said it: he's in absolutely terrible shape (relatively). He looks like he's gained 15 pounds and I see it in his inability to lift and his play as the game wears on.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post

              Good ****ing god, no.
              29, 20, 9. 32 Minutes. High Level of Anger.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by dal9 View Post

                29, 20, 9. 32 Minutes. High Level of Anger.
                Let's trade for a nutjob who still forces Domas to come off the bench.


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                • #83
                  Originally posted by dal9 View Post

                  29, 20, 9. 32 Minutes. High Level of Anger.
                  Let's trade friendly contracts with upside for a malcontent albatross without shooting in today's NBA.

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                  • #84
                    It is apparent we will struggle with athletic backcourts who can shoot. This game was in hand until Nate decided to guard Covington and Shameet with Doug and Reke. Then to put Bogie out with them? They help out and close out in time. Doug doesn't even try.

                    In the second I was pleased with the defense of the second unit with Bogie. Domas stopped Emiid twice and we didnít give up the boards. The numerous one and dones helped us attack. I know Doug has struggled defensively and has struggled to find his role in the half court ( Partly to scheme and chemistry). But he is a good rebounder. The second half Brown made sure he had Reddick, Fultz, Covington, and Emiid together. And while Domas straight shut Emiid down Covington went off. This is on Bogie and Doug partially, but Nate should not have had them out there together. We need another athletic wing badly. And one would wonder if Sumner would be better than Doug in defending if Nate wants Bogie to be that small four. I would start Domas in the second half, ala Reddick does with Philly. Get Thad off the court. Bring him in for Myles and finish the quarter with Thad and Myles in the third. Then Domas starts the fourth with Thad. But it is all conjecture. And Nate has to find what is going to work. He isnít finding the right mix.

                    I have been hesitant and giving Myles the benefit of the doubt. But it is obvious to everyone but Nate. Domas needs to start and finish and we still need to see Myles play with him. Myles plays better with Domas. The lesser expectations free him up or playing off the pick and roll action might be the reason. But regardless if this is what we get from him he isnít worth the money next year.

                    Victor Oladipo was really good on defense in the second quarter. He played 6í10Ē Ben Simmons in three possessions and would not let him have a shot on the inside. Then he played Reddick and besides one curl hit ( which I contend should have been pinched by gap play by anyone guarding Fultz or Simmons) he did great. But he had to take too much of the offensive load. The starters are struggling to generate offense. So why not get more creators in the starting unit. Domas and Reke need to start.

                    I donít know what has happened to Thad Young but he looks old, hurt, and lost on offense. Saric also blew past him on defense. He also left Saric on an easy jumper.

                    Is Fultz a bust? He is 20. He has massive holes in his game. But he could be a lockdown defending point. He played the pick and roll great in the first half. And I was surprised he didnít play Vic more. He may never be a shooter and he should not start with Sinmons. But no way they should start him over Reddick. If I am Philly I sit on this team and then wheel and deal to gather vets around Embiid. Ship anyone to get a team to compete next year. Because Embiid has the disposition to want to bolt for a super team if they canít.

                    The 76ers closed well because of Covington and Saric (with Emiid of course) got buckets and their defense tightened up. But the key was they didn't turnover the ball which we rely on too much. I am disappointed and hope that the Pacers make adjustments to schemes and rotations as the season goes along.

                    It is a long season and we have months ahead.
                    Last edited by Major Cold; 11-08-2018, 03:08 PM.

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                    • #85
                      Also. The worse thing to come out of Myles' 6 block game against the Bulls is now he is parachuting to block shots. He is biting on every head and ball fake. His defense is worse since that game. But he is also playing better big men.

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                      • #86
                        Myles put way too much pressure on himself (and set an unreasonable expectation) to become Victor Oladipo, part 2 this summer and when that didn't happen, he's folded. That's just what it looks like to me. I like the kid, but his head is not in the game most of the time.


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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          Myles put way too much pressure on himself (and set an unreasonable expectation) to become Victor Oladipo, part 2 this summer and when that didn't happen, he's folded. That's just what it looks like to me. I like the kid, but his head is not in the game most of the time.

                          Or could be that he is just not that good
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • #88
                            I know that after a loss you can't praise any player.
                            So, i must say - sorry, because i can't help myself...
                            That dunk on Embiid just made my day.
                            Sabonis kind of said - "I can dunk on anybody in the NBA".
                            I'm very cautious guy, i know that some games can be fantastic and some - fantastically bad.
                            But that dunk said to me - Sabonis really belongs to NBA. From now on i have no doubts.
                            I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                            • #89
                              Not sure what's up with Turner. The weird thing is, this notion that he's not "good" isn't correct. We've all seen him play better offensively, even in his first year. He definitely seems to have regressed, and that doesn't make much sense.

                              That said, I'm not entirely impressed with the seasons thus far of a number of Pacers --- not just Turner.

                              Everyone outside of Vic and Sabonis, is having a "down" year. Right? I mean, none of these guys is doing better than last year, except Vic and Sabonis. Surprisingly, Bogey is actually on about the same pace as last year... but McDermott is totally not being put in position to succeed with this group. Tyreke's per/36 has dropped across the board. DC has taken a huge drop, so has Thad.... A lot of our guys have seen a decline in production. Turner hasn't technically dropped any more than the rest of these guys, but the disadvantage for him is that he gets compared to Sabonis, whereas we don't really have anyone opposite DC and Thad and Tyreke and Doug to make them look even worse.

                              So then you ask, did all these players just get worse? All of them? At once? After what was seen as a great off-season for most of our guys, and working together?

                              Or is something else going on? Players don't just drop off like this en masse all on their own. Last year, this starting five was extremely effective, and they haven't changed personnel at all... and 3 of them all of a sudden see pretty steep drop-offs?

                              Some of this can be just getting the new guys worked in... you gotta remember, we didn't start off last year on any particularly tear, I mean, we did alright, but it took them some time to hit their stride. It could be the same story this year and our expectations are just higher. But to me, the cause for what we're seeing is that we have a number of guys not being put in the right positions, and for that I look squarely at Nate and Co.
                              Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 11-08-2018, 04:49 PM.
                              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by DeS View Post
                                I know that after a loss you can't praise any player.
                                So, i must say - sorry, because i can't help myself...
                                That dunk on Embiid just made my day.
                                Sabonis kind of said - "I can dunk on anybody in the NBA".
                                I'm very cautious guy, i know that some games can be fantastic and some - fantastically bad.
                                But that dunk said to me - Sabonis really belongs to NBA. From now on i have no doubts.
                                Somebody needs to make a montage of Domas's dunks this year. There are at least 4 that were off the charts.
                                {o,o}
                                |)__)
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