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  • 2019 Indy 500

    We should have talked about this more the last few weeks. B-ball, I would like to hear your thoughts.

    This is always my favorite day of the year. I wait all year for it. Iíve been to every race since 1998 and hope to never stop.

    The lack of a leaderboard on the screen for much of the day was terrible and made the race tough to follow in person. IMS has to fix this in 2020.

    Congrats to Pagenaud. That was total domination of the month witn the Grand Prix/500 Pole/500 victory.

    I love the continued domination of Penske. This is 8 500 victories since he came back in 2001 from his hiatus. Total domination. 18 overall.

    What happened to Marco? Seems like he will forever be in the shadow of that 2006 Hornish pass.

    Obviously Alonso/McLaren missing out was a big story. Hopefully he hitches to a different engine if he comes back.

    The racing was better than the boring model train 2018 500 which featured virtually no exciting passing. Still, there didnít seem to be enough exciting passing at the top in this race. If it werenít for the Rossi/Pagenaud finish, this would have been a mostly dull race. I donít want to go back to the absurd sling shot passing of 12-17, but I do think we need more passing at the top.

    Rossi is a true racing superstar.

    Carpenter seems like a better qualifier than racer. I canít think of too many times over the years where he blows you away with an exciting pass.

    Have we seen the last of Kanaan and Hťlio contending for a 500 victory?

    Congrats to Bob Jenkins on his IMS HOF induction. Love listening to him and seems like a total class act.

    Glad the weather held off. Weíve gotten fortunate a lot in recent years. The last time rain impacted the race was 2007. There hasnít been a drop of rain since reunification in 2008, after multiple rain/cool weather years during the 96-07 split era races. The last 12 races have been 100% dry and almost all warm to hot.

    I sat at the north end of the straightaway right out of 4 in open grandstands (some of my favorite seats by the way). There were multiple empty pockets of seats in the north shute and third turn. Sad to see that. I donít know if some held back because of the weather or what. I canít imagine hanging back because of the weather. You go no matter what and play the cards you are dealt. Iíve gone since 1998 and have never had to go back for a Monday run.

    It was almost eerie how easy it was to drive into the track via Crawfordsville Rd at 10:30 AM. Hardly any traffic and got super close parking in a yard.

    I hate that Snakepit stage that blares bass and smoke throughout the race. Thatís fine for carb day and even raceday buildup, but it should stop during the race. Looks like a Tacky NASCRAP gimmick during the race. Shouldnít be happening during the 500 itself.

    The pre-race WIBC show seemed like it was 2 minutes of talk and 10 minutes of commercials, rinse/lather/repeat. I understand the importance of commercials, but yikes that was excessive. The post race show was too much Greg Rakestraw and not enough Donald Davidson. I donít recall a single call in question for Davidson. I Iove the call ins because people point out stuff that you might not have caught during the race.

    I liked NBCís promotion of the event. Not sure if the raceday coverage was really any better though.
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 05-29-2019, 12:13 PM.

  • #2
    Where else can you see Sabonis, Batman, Jason Bourne and Mario Andretti in the same place?

    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

    What happened to Marco? Seems like he will forever be in the shadow of that 2006 Hornish pass.
    The car had major problems from the start of the race. Too bad too, because that car was a BEAUTY. So much so that I bought a diecast of it.

    I sat at the north end of the straightaway right out of 4 in open grandstands (some of my favorite seats by the way). There were multiple empty pockets of seats in the north shute and third turn. Sad to see that. I donít know if some held back because of the weather or what. I canít imagine hanging back because of the weather. You go no matter what and play the cards you are dealt. Iíve gone since 1998 and have never had to go back for a Monday run.
    Walk up crowds are a thing, and it DID rain at the track on Race Day.... sprinkles at 5AM. Got a nice lightning show too

    It would be nice if the weather forecasters would get their stuff straight for Race Day... when 2 of the last 3 years, some yahoo has been reading the hour by hour NWS forecast and saying that we're gonna get this thing in on Sunday(ahem....), that doesn't reflect well on them.

    That, or 100,000+ people buying ponchos on Saturday caused a vortex to keep the rains away.

    I hate that Snakepit stage that blares bass and smoke throughout the race. Thatís fine for carb day and even raceday buildup, but it should stop during the race. Looks like a Tacky NASCRAP gimmick during the race. Shouldnít be happening during the 500 itself.
    I've spent the last three years in the Turn 3 infield watching the race, and I've honestly never noticed the Snakepit enough to annoy me. I'm still no fan (mostly because if I went in there, I would probably die), but if a few of those fans start to watch the race and become race fans in future years, it's worth it.

    Getting crushed by autograph hounds and beaten with Batman movie posters on the Indy 500 Red Carpet was much more annoying anyway.

    I liked NBCís promotion of the event. Not sure if the raceday coverage was really any better though.
    It was better... even if NBC didn't show the ENTIRE flyover (BEST. FLYOVER. EVER). Just having two driver analysts with working pulses made things better, not to mention the rest of the coverage they did.

    Obviously Alonso/McLaren missing out was a big story. Hopefully he hitches to a different engine if he comes back.
    The engine had nothing to do with Alonso not making the show. It was all on McLaren incompetence (it's so astounding how incompetent they were that it almost borders on internal sabotage if you ask me). Partnering with Carlin was a bad idea. They should have paid Ed Carpenter's price to partner with them (and apparently Ed's fee was to make them go away and stop botering him. McLaren should have accepted whatever fee that was. ECR probably would have been set for several years at that point).
    Last edited by Sandman21; 05-31-2019, 01:24 PM.
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    • #3
      I was a little concerned that the package wasn't tweaked enough this year to really make much difference from the 2018 race. I'm still not convinced it actually was, but thanks to Rossi being at the front part of the field, he made up for it.
      Wow... It's no fluke... he REALLY good.
      He's going to win another 500 because he's that kind of good. Especially in this modern era where it's fairly unlikely a mechanical issue will sideline him.
      And honestly, the 100th running that he won, even though it was a fuel mileage gamble, he raced himself into position to do that. If not for 2 fueling issues in that race, he might've won on outright pace anyway. I might be misremembering, but I seem to recall he also owned the fastest lap that race.

      Rossi and Pageneud made the race worth the price of admission.
      Kudos to Ferrucci too for some excitement along the way.

      I don't think Helio running the Indy one-off, or the Indy two step with the Grand Prix, is enough to truly make him a threat to win. I think it hurts with his familiarity with the other drivers, the cars themselves now, etc.
      While I think it's possible he could still win, I think it's more likely he'll have a mistake, a hesitation, a poor pitstop, and ultimately cost himself from being where he was just a few short years ago chasing RHR or Sato to the yard of bricks.

      TK, I'm less sure about. While I don't doubt he might've lost a tick on the clock, I'm not sure the Foyt team is capable of putting a car to the front. Especially as the other teams really dial in this iteration of the aerokit. Last year when the aerokit was new for everyone was probably TK's best chance in a Foyt car. I expect they will be behind even more next year with everyone else just jetting on past them in development.

      I would've liked to have gotten more followup on Marco's car. Race coverage didn't seem to be going after the story, or maybe they just weren't getting any answers. That car was awesome looking on the track... too bad it just didn't have the steam.

      I'm not sure about the leaderboard comments. Where were they missing from? I don't recall missing them for any length on the video screens from our Paddock Penthouse seats.

      McClaren was bizarre. Probably a little too confident they could field a one-off team and push it thru. I'm not sure if they hurt Carlin or Carlin hurt them in the end. Losing a day to the backup car being in the paintshop is inexcusable.
      I don't even know how that happens... they should've known where the backup car was at all times and proper orange or not, it should've been in their possession for practice.

      Kaiser knocking them out, and that scanner traffic was awesome to hear. To me Juncos deserved to be there and McClaren didn't.
      I also thought McClaren should've ran the Grand Prix. Just to run the car thru tech, tweak on it for practice and quals, and do real pitstops in anger. Maybe some of the issues would've reared their heads in time to have corrected them since they seemed mostly organizational.

      I assume Ed wants to win Indy for himself and didn't want to help a serious contender be more serious. But as said, if they paid the fee, he could've set himself up for future runs. Ed probably had a pretty good idea Danica was good for eyeballs and PR, and no threat to actually win last year. Not sure he'd feel the same about Alonso.

      NBC missed the best flyover ever.... Easily the best flyover ever. The most awesome flyover ever. Did they not know that was coming? Someone dropped the ball there. Either they didn't know it was coming, or neglected to cover it anyway.

      I didn't like NBC cutting away from the cars starting. I think seeing them roll off the grid is important to setting the scene.
      For the most part, I though the commentary was really good. Dramatic and informative. Tirico is a great host as well. I could've done without Danica, but I'm just over her in general. I mean, she didn't do anything wrong and was professional, I just could do without her.

      The fact the commentary was better, immediately IMO raised the level of the race from ABC. No wife cams either.
      I think the complaints about the number of commercials probably stems from the fact the race was green as long as it was. NBC doesn't know when a yellow is coming and at some point I'm sure the counter says "It's time for commercials". So they happen in green flag running. I also imagine they had them planned so that they could have the last portion of the race commercial free. IIRC, there were no or limited commercials during the red flag. I'm sure they would've loved to have had a crystal ball and knew they could hold off om some green flag commercials and run them during a red flag.

      My "Things that make you go hmmmmm".
      Did Dale Jr get in trouble while driving the pace car?
      The booth cut to Dale and talked to him pacing the field. Dale started talking with his hands, and at one point took both hands off the wheel. Within seconds, the official in the car with him was on the radio, and the NBC feed from the car went black and silent. It didn't look like a technical snafu, and Dale Jr was cutoff mid sentence too, so the segment wasn't over. I'm thinking as soon as Jr took both hands off the wheel, either Indycar said "End it... NOW!" and Dale got a 'reminder' to keep both hands on the wheel... or possibly NBC themselves did it.
      Maybe the official in the car getting on his radio was coincidental with the blackout. And I don't know if the official was being proactive or reactive on the radio (whether they called him or he called race control).

      But I don't know... but it makes me go "Hmmmmmmm?"

      Edit: I think the weather forecast hurt the walkup and last minute ticket buyers.

      Next year, the local stations should let the Indy Chamber of Commerce do the weather report...
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      • #4
        I should add a shout out to John Menard, who via sponsoring the Penske/Pageneud car, finally got that Indy 500 win he coveted and chased all those years with his Team Menard program.
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bball View Post
          I should add a shout out to John Menard, who via sponsoring the Penske/Pageneud car, finally got that Indy 500 win he coveted and chased all those years with his Team Menard program.
          The irony is kind of funny though. Menard used to obnoxiously mock the amount of foreign drivers in the series back in the day. Then he finally gets an Indy win while sponsoring.......the first French Indy 500 champion since 1920.

          I made sure to shop at Menardís on Memorial Day in tribute to the deserved win. That car looked sharp.
          Last edited by Sollozzo; 06-03-2019, 09:22 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

            The irony is kind of funny though. Menard used to obnoxiously mock the amount of foreign drivers in the series back in the day. Then he finally gets an Indy win while sponsoring.......the first French Indy 500 champion since 1920.
            Did he? I don't recall him talking about that. Didn't he put Nelson Piquet in a car (the one NP put into the T4 wall)?
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bball View Post

              Did he? I don't recall him talking about that. Didn't he put Nelson Piquet in a car (the one NP put into the T4 wall)?
              Yes.

              "When I got to seven Brazilians, I quit counting," Menard said. "I wonder if racing fans from Keokuk (Iowa) and Terre Haute (Ind.) want to come and watch Andre I-can't-pronounce-his-name. I think they're more interested in watching Tony Stewart."

              https://journaltimes.com/sports/geor...1d0f5e4ba.html

              I'm glad that this bizarre and obtuse nativist/protectionalist line of thinking is a thing of the past. The Indianapolis 500 has drawn attention from international drivers since day 1 and that's what has helped give it credibility as the greatest race in the entire world for over a century. I of course love seeing an American champion like Ryan Hunter-Reay, but it wouldn't be the Indianapolis 500 if it didn't attract attention from drivers across the globe. Boggles my mind that people like Menard at one time wanted to see it watered down to some American dominated event.

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              • #8
                Texas was a thrilling finish in Texas. Another win by Newgarden. Heís having a phenomenal year. Rossi always seems to make it interesting at the top.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

                  Yes.

                  "When I got to seven Brazilians, I quit counting," Menard said. "I wonder if racing fans from Keokuk (Iowa) and Terre Haute (Ind.) want to come and watch Andre I-can't-pronounce-his-name. I think they're more interested in watching Tony Stewart."

                  https://journaltimes.com/sports/geor...1d0f5e4ba.html

                  I'm glad that this bizarre and obtuse nativist/protectionalist line of thinking is a thing of the past. The Indianapolis 500 has drawn attention from international drivers since day 1 and that's what has helped give it credibility as the greatest race in the entire world for over a century. I of course love seeing an American champion like Ryan Hunter-Reay, but it wouldn't be the Indianapolis 500 if it didn't attract attention from drivers across the globe. Boggles my mind that people like Menard at one time wanted to see it watered down to some American dominated event.
                  Well, that was disappointing he said that. I suppose he could've said worse, but you are exactly correct and what makes Indy so special is it's world-wide appeal and international flavor of drivers competing against America's best open wheel racers.

                  That article is a trip to read all these years later. Andretti was spot on. Bobby Unser also sounded like the voice of reason with his comments.
                  Interesting to see how much negativity there was about guaranteeing spots for IRL regulars. You know they learned their lesson and will never even think about that again.... Oh wait... nevermind...
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  • #10
                    I feel like a lot of people would be fans of this series if they just tuned in to a race like Texas last night. That was great entertainment.

                    There are so many good drivers in this series right now.

                    Wish they could add another oval like Chicagoland or Kentucky.
                    Last edited by Sollozzo; 06-09-2019, 08:52 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Pagenaud, Penske, Team Penske, Mark Miles, and Doug Boles are visiting the White House today. Thank you Mr. President for drawing attention to this great event and a job well done by Pagenaud and the Penske team.
                      Last edited by Sollozzo; 06-10-2019, 10:14 AM.

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                      • #12
                        That was a cool ceremony at the White House. They had the yellow Menard car, the Borg Warner Trophy, Pagenaud, Penske, Mileís, Boles, team Penske members, and some others there. Very cool. Our President spoke highly of the Indy 500 and the importance of Pagenauds victory. Pagenaud and Penske both seemed very appreciative.

                        Thank you Mr. President for the attention that you are giving to this wonderful event. Between this and the multiple Indy 500 tweets, this President has given the Indy 500 a lot of great publicity in recent weeks. He tweeted about the win on Memorial Day and tweeted about it yesterday. Awesome.

                        Also, thank you to Pagenaud, Penske, and everyone at IMS for attending and appreciating the importance of the recognition.

                        That was awesome and is some of the best publicity the Indy 500 has had in a long time. Free publicity too!
                        Last edited by Sollozzo; 06-11-2019, 12:22 PM.

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                        • #13
                          I thought Texas was just about perfect. Maybe the track coming in a bit more for the high line in 1-2 would've been nice, but it would've been interesting to see where things shook out if Dixie and Herta were around for the end too.

                          I still don't know what happened with Sato and that pitstop. I keep wondering if he came in doing the 90MPH limit of the pit exit lane, instead of the 60MPH of the pit lane. But he never got a speeding penalty, just the penalty for hitting the crewman.

                          It wasn't an ultra-dangerous pack race... but it wasn't a race where cars were quickly and comically falling off the pace and wiggling around due to (much too) quick tire deg.
                          Hopefully, between this and Indy, it means Pocono will be entertaining too.
                          The package for street and road courses has seemed solid since day 1, but the speedway package has left a bit to be desired. Of course... a hot Pocono day could reveal just how well the speedway package has been improved versus hidden by weather a bit. Obviously, Texas versus Indy or Pocono packages are different.

                          I see there's talk of an Indycar/Nascar double-header (spearheaded by NBC). I don't think it's a bad idea per se. Of course it likely needs to happen while NBC has the Nascar portion of the schedule so that hurts some things.
                          It would open the possibility (in my mind) of an easy return to Michigan, Fontana, Phoenix, even Chicagoland... etc...
                          There'd be no concerns over having two races within a few weeks, instead it would allow both to exist the same weekend.

                          It wouldn't have to be an oval but Indycar could use something to try and reignite ticket sales at an oval, as well as balance the schedule while doing it, whereas Nascar could just use a shot in the arm for their own declining oval ticket sales.

                          Personally, I think I'd make it be a special event and moving target each season. That way going into it, fans know it's special. It's not something they are trying at X track and asking them to get invested in for the foreseeable future while doubters immediately throw cold water on the series very existence before they turn a wheel.
                          Instead, fans would know it's a one shot deal and the next year the double is on the other side of the country or something.
                          It would truly be a special event, no time to consider seeing how it goes and "maybe going next year"... and it could be a bit of a traveling circus with some soap opera hype between the two series and drivers. Maybe even a crossover or two.
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                            That was a cool ceremony at the White House. They had the yellow Menard car, the Borg Warner Trophy, Pagenaud, Penske, Mileís, Boles, team Penske members, and some others there. Very cool. Our President spoke highly of the Indy 500 and the importance of Pagenauds victory. Pagenaud and Penske both seemed very appreciative.

                            Thank you Mr. President for the attention that you are giving to this wonderful event. Between this and the multiple Indy 500 tweets, this President has given the Indy 500 a lot of great publicity in recent weeks. He tweeted about the win on Memorial Day and tweeted about it yesterday. Awesome.

                            Also, thank you to Pagenaud, Penske, and everyone at IMS for attending and appreciating the importance of the recognition.

                            That was awesome and is some of the best publicity the Indy 500 has had in a long time. Free publicity too!
                            Also worth noting that while not at the White House, the President did meet Takuma after he won the 500 in Japan.
                            https://www.indycar.com/News/2017/11...ts-Trump-Japan
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