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2019 Indianapolis Colts Regular Season Thread

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  • Dominating performance by the Colts last night. They manhandled the Queefs on both sides of the line of scrimmage. And of course all the media coverage is about what is wrong with the Queefs and not what is right with the Colts. Oh well. The ‘Shoe got the dub and that is all that matters.

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    • Old fashioned "tough man" football, never thought I'd say that about the Colts. We out-toughed and bullied the Chiefs.

      This team is becoming about Quenton Nelson. I think he's become unquestionably our best player. He's my favorite current Colt now and is already way up there all-time for me. Nobody wants to face that man, and he seems to have rubbed off on the guys next to him. Our O line is becoming a highlight of my games.

      The way they pushed around that Chief front was just domination. Look, Mack is a good back, but he's doing what he's doing over the last 16 games or so because of the push that Oline is getting. Behind our previous lines, there's no way Mack is even talked about as a feature back. There's no way we go 7-for-7 on 4th down mostly on running plays without being able to just hike the ball and drive opposing D-lines straight backwards. A lot of the holes that open up around Nelson you could drive a Mack truck through. Our o line has become the strength of the team.

      I love me some Big Q.

      Our defense has had it's up and downs, but they had a helluva game last night, and with a lot of young backups. Very inconsistent displays right now, but glad they showed up last night. They harrassed Mahomes all game, who is a ridiculously-talented player who didn't quite look himself last night, the Chiefs looked all kinds of disjointed on offense.

      It's also becoming apparent to me that Brissett is what I thought he is --- a game manager. He's just not Luck. He'll mostly protect the ball, won't put up gaudy number... he'll move the chains, put us in position to be in most games, even win. I don't see a part of his game, however, that shows he can take over and put a team on his back like Luck did for years. Just bums me out that Luck walked away, there's no telling what kind of team we'd be this year with Luck behind center. Having a hard time still accepting this...

      This team is freakin' banged up. I get so tired of seeing the news. Our secondary is ravaged; Hooker, Geathers, Leonard all out, we just lost Turay for the season, it just never feels like we're ever anywhere close to full strength.

      Amazing that we did defensively what we did against the Chiefs in light of that. Eberflus is just crazy good and we're lucky we were able to retain him this year, I fully suspect he's a head coach somewhere next year.

      Was really glad to see Vinny back to himself.
      Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-07-2019, 12:23 PM.
      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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      • Hopefully we get Geathers, Leonard and maybe Campbell back after the bye. Hooker might be another week away. As for QB, Brissett is not the long term answer. A good backup but not a franchise QB. The good thing is the Colts will have the capital to move up in the draft to get someone. The second round pick they got from the Redskins will be very high, likely in the mid 30s.
        Last edited by hoosierguy; 10-07-2019, 01:16 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Bball View Post
          I'm not going to lie... As I watch Q and the O line opening holes, protecting the QB, and getting raves from the announcers I can't help but hope Luck is sitting at home thinking "What did I do!??"
          The same when Mack is running for 100+ yards and accolades coming his way. The same when the backups go out there and do their speed runs thru those holes. Also, right there with the same as the coaches prepare and manage a good/great game.
          And lastly, as Jacoby plays solidly and begins to get accolades from the announces and the narrative changes from "They're going to miss Luck" to "Jacoby has come in and not missed a beat with what the Colts are wanting and needing to do".
          Tonight was perfect... stealing the spotlight on SNF from the favored KC Chiefs. By the end of the game, it was the Colts getting all the talk.

          I hope this continues and the narrative Irsay set at the presser with allowing for a potential Luck return turns into a narrative of "Why would we/they want him back? He's a quitter. He himself claimed to be always injured. The team has solid coaching, a great GM, a leader under center. The city and state is rallying around the team. Why risk all of that for a quitter?"
          I think most people have moved on from Luck at this point if the Colts were 0-5 it would be a different story but if the team is good who the players are don't matter here.

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          • Originally posted by Bball View Post

            This post didn't age well...
            Nope! Nope it did not. But I'll take it!

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            • https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...in-week-eight/


              NFL moves Raiders-Texans to late afternoon in Week Eight

              The NFL announced a couple of changes to the schedule for Week Eight on Friday.

              The Raiders and Texans were scheduled to kick off at 1 p.m. ET on the original schedule, but the game will now get underway at 4:25 p.m. ET.


              Oakland and Houston will take the place of a matchup between the Broncos and Colts. The were set to play in that late afternoon slot, but will now get underway at 1 p.m. ET.

              Both games are set to air on CBS, which has the doubleheader that week and will also be carrying the Browns’ visit to the Patriots in the 4:25 p.m. window in Week Eight. The Cleveland-New England game is set to be the lead national game.

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              • I think that's fair. Colts-Broncos isn't nearly as appealing
                Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                • I prefer it I rather watch the Colts at 1 PM personally

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                  • Surprised this wasn't bigger news... I know he's trying to be a hype man but at least make it more believable.

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                    • https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...999/ar-AAIGsiT


                      Colts nearly drafted CB Champ Bailey in 1999

                      Leading up to the draft, current Broncos head coach Vic Fangio served as the Colts defensive coordinator from 1999-2001. He was pounding the table for the Colts to draft Bailey, and it nearly happened.

                      "He almost was an Indianapolis Colt back in 1999," Fangio said of Bailey to Denver media on Friday. "I was with the Colts then, I had just gotten there. They had been very bad on defense the prior two years, I think finishing last or second-to-last each year. So part of the negotiation to go there - they promised me everything would be for the defense in the offseason."

                      However, the Colts wound up making the trade of Marshall Faulk to the Rams, setting the table for Indy to take Peyton Manning's longtime running mate in Edgerrin James.


                      "So after going through the draft prospects - I think we had the fourth pick - it was Champ who I wanted and we were going to get. You know, it was pretty set in stone who one, two and three were going to be," Fangio said. "And then a day before the draft, they came in and tell me they just traded Marshall Faulk to the Rams - which, you know how big he was with the Rams in their run there - and now we need a running back, so we weren't going to draft Champ."

                      Bailey went on to be a Hall of Fame cornerback. He earned 12 Pro Bowl selections throughout his career and would have been a stellar piece to add to the defense following a 3-13 season.

                      James was a strong selection as well. He went on to be the Offensive Rookie of the Year en route to four Pro Bowl selections. He's one of the greatest statistical running backs of all-time.

                      It's an interesting story and if Fangio had his way with the pick in 1999, Bailey would have been a Colt.

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                      • Houston is going to be a tough, tough game. That Tunsil trade is turning out to be a smart decision, and giving Watson time to throw is dangerous, especially with those receivers he has. I think Houston has more top-end talent than we do, but I think we have the better coaching staff and FO. We're not quite there with the star power, but man have we become a tough team. This is going to be close...I think Houston wins in the end, though.

                        Colts have a huge opportunity the next few weeks. Houston, Denver, Pittsburgh, Dolphins, Jags. All winnable games. I think 3-2 is most likely, but 4-1 is doable. This is going to be fun.
                        Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                        • I really want the win vs. Denver. Mainly for bragging rights. So if Colts lose this Sunday, I won't be too mad. That means they'll come out strong vs. Denver.

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                          • Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
                            I really want the win vs. Denver. Mainly for bragging rights. So if Colts lose this Sunday, I won't be too mad. That means they'll come out strong vs. Denver.
                            Bragging rights for what exactly? There's no real rivalry there.

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                            • Wow, when was the last time we've had no responses during a Colts game?

                              HECK of a win by this team. Houston plays run D? We pass all over them. Hands off to the defense who played phenomenal. Gave up some big plays but limited them to FGs in the first half and with a huge couple of stops at the end of the game when the offense was struggling.

                              Colts offense through 3 quarters was superb playcalling and Brissett throws.

                              You can make an argument this is the 2nd best team in the AFC. Frank Reich, take a bow.
                              Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                              • Great win.
                                I guess I'm going to have to get used to the Colts' going for it on 4th down, even when it's clear they shouldn't by any normal metrics. Usually, I'm kind of OK with going for it, but today... with the lead... a long game yet to play... Play field position rather than gamble. That's what I would've done. But I think we all knew what was coming... And after being 7-7 on going for it, this time it didn't work. So 7 of 8 isn't bad....
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

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