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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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2019 Indianapolis Colts Regular Season Thread

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  • Originally posted by Natston View Post
    There’s no silver lining at this point. Getting worked by a trash team playing for nothing is inexcusable...
    Moving up 5 spots in the draft order is a pretty good silver lining to me. The pain of this game will wash away pretty quickly to the long-term difference that will potentially make.


    • Probably one of the more frustrating and disappointing Colts' seasons in recent history. Obviously, the year Manning missed that put the wheels into motion that got us here comes into play, but this season had two layers of disappointment.
      First, the optimism of having Luck back in the saddle with this coaching staff and upgraded team on the heels of last season... Then that was taken away when Luck decided he didn't want to play football any longer (see: the player that the Colts punted on Peyton Manning for simply decided he wanted to quit the game).
      Then they were winning in spite of Vinatieri's struggles and on the hopeful play of Brissett.

      Then they weren't winning in spite of Adam's horrid play and it was hurting.

      Then Brissett never ascended from that early season reserved but successful play and instead regressed from it back to who he was when starting in place of Luck a couple of years ago. Injuries... turnovers... more frustration from the kicking game... losses mounting... And bad QB play. Some of that bad QB play on Hoyer, and some of it on Brissett.

      Two years ago, Brissett didn't look like "the guy". For a few games this season it looked like maybe he could at least be in the conversation after all. And then, the flaws remained and were magnified.

      The Colts are in bad need of a starting QB. They probably could use a reliable, deep, pass catcher with YAC capability to both act as a complement to Hilton as well as an insurance policy for the "injured just a little too much" Hilton.

      I don't think the Colts' receivers were trash this season though... they didn't have a QB that could 'throw them open'... make the catch easy... or get them the ball quickly when they did get some space. There's simply way too much smoke for their not to be fire on the scouting report that Brissett holds the ball too long and doesn't get it out to open receivers when he has the chance. And takes the check down receiver to a fault. Sometimes you have to take it downfield simply so the defense will take you serious down the field. One thing opponents figured out, Jacoby wasn't going deep enough to worry about, and if he did go deep it wouldn't necessarily be accurate or timely. In fact, his hesitation would give the defense time to recover.

      So, this season is mercifully over. Unfortunately, any hopes that this coaching staff could shape Brissett into a QB that could do anything beyond tread water died rather quickly. Decent backup... but that's all he is.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

      -John Wooden


      • This season was a letdown, even with Luck’s retirement considered.

        What’s worse is that it feels we have the same needs as we did going into last draft, plus more. We still need a pass rush. We still need a corner. We still need a safety. And now we need a quarterback. IMO, a wide receiver is a waste until we can get a serviceable QB.

        Willis looked good. I’m hopeful for Okereke and Parris. Our young players want to return. The running game is very solid.

        I’m just very nervous about our ability to evaluate QB talent. On the one hand, we thought Hoyer was a good idea, and even I could see that was a disaster waiting to happen. Then our talent evaluator was involved in getting Cutler to the Bears and Alex Smith to the Chiefs. Those are three pretty big strikes IMO, despite Smith’s success in KC (he was the rich man’s version of Brissett). On the other hand, our talent evaluator was involved with landing Mahomes on the top of KC’s draft board on his way out. That was a great call.

        Let’s hope for something good to happen. I know it’s very unpopular and unlikely, but I’d prefer that Luck rediscovers his passion for football.

        Last edited by imawhat; 12-29-2019, 09:31 PM.


        • The Colts finished the season disappointing, however, if someone would have said that the Colts would be 7-9 after Luck retired, most would have been satisfied with that.

          Many are yelling for Brissett to be replaced. While I think that should be on the list of considerations, it should not be the top priority. Brissett played pretty well up until his injury. He then struggled the rest of the season. He also lost a lot of his weapons dues to injuries.

          In my opinion, Vinatieri cost us 2 games. I don't know what the tie breakers would have been but 9-7 is a playoff record.

          Prior to replacing the quarterback, I would look at fixing the following problems:

          Special teams. Not only did Vinatieri suck, we didn't block well for him. We had punts as well as place kicks blocked. You don't need pro bowlers on special teams, just average players. I put the blocking issues on coaching.

          Defensive backfield. Our cornerbacks and safeties seemed to get burnt a lot especially late in the season.

          Defensive line. Part of the reason our defensive backfield got burnt was due to a lack of a pass rush. At times we were good, at times we were not.

          Receivers. We had a lot of injuries with our top receivers. Hilton had injury issues, Pascal did pretty good but other than that we didn't have much. Doyle is a solid TE but not anything flashy. Ebron struggled and then got injured.

          After we address those issues, then I would look at QB. I am not familiar with the QB's in the draft but our best move may be to draft one in the 3rd or 4th round. Give Brissett a chance early in the year and see if his injury was indeed holding him back.

          I also have some concerns about the Offensive Line. It seems to me like they struggled in pass protection at the end of the year. It's possible that could be because Brissett holds on to the ball to long.

          In my opinion, the good news is we are solid at RB and LB.

          Obvioulsy going by 7-9 we are not terrible but it is clear that we have many areas that we need to upgrade.


          • What sucks about Luck retiring is that now we miss out on that feeling of watching our favorite team play in the playoffs. We were spoiled to have so many Colts playoff games to watch over the last 20 years. Sure we lost some heartbreakers, but at least we consistently had the excitement of watching our team in the playoffs. Things can change fast in this league, but the Colts being a consistent playoff team feels like a ways off right now.

            Think of where we were just one year ago: Luck was playing as good as any QB in the league and we were one of the hottest teams in the NFL. We went down to Houston and handled them in the Wild Card weekend. The KC game was disappointing, but it looked like we were on the verge of some special seasons. Then it all changed so fast.


            • Yea this year was like many in the past. Too many injuries limited the Colts ceiling. Brisset is not a special talent. He is average so they absolutely need to address the QB position but I doubt they will. My guess is they go LT if Castonzo retires and if he stays they go for a best player available approach. They need a legit Wr besides Hilton and they need more pass rush. The defense is so vanilla they can just buy a DB in FA to play it. The defense needs more wrinkles to be great and I doubt that happens under this coordinator.

              I am all for drafting a QB like Tau of he is there. The injury may drop him a bit but he seems like a good fit.


              • I can't believe Tannehill and the Titans made playoffs over the Colts. WTF!


                • This year certainly emphasized just how good a healthy Luck was.


                  • Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post

                    Moving up 5 spots in the draft order is a pretty good silver lining to me. The pain of this game will wash away pretty quickly to the long-term difference that will potentially make.
                    I mean you’re not wrong, but draft positioning doesn’t mask all of the question marks going into next season.
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                    • While things can change quickly year to year in the NFL (as we found out), I think the Colts have a lot of work to do. If Tennessee builds on this strong stretch finish and postseason, they will be very tough next year. It's also pretty safe to pencil in Houston to be solid like they usually are.

                      It figures that Luck would quit right as Brady and New England look to finally be hititng their twilight. Unbelievable.


                      • I think the Colts are closer than you think to being a consistent playoff team, but that's very predicated on the QB situation. We're a couple of bad kicks away from possibly knocking off Tennessee from the playoffs this year. And Frank has the right mentality - running the ball and defense.

                        I think it's easy to forget what a ****** roster this was when Ballard took over. He's had to remake the entire roster and it's not quite there yet
                        Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.


                        • Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                          I think the Colts are closer than you think to being a consistent playoff team, but that's very predicated on the QB situation. We're a couple of bad kicks away from possibly knocking off Tennessee from the playoffs this year. And Frank has the right mentality - running the ball and defense.

                          I think it's easy to forget what a ****** roster this was when Ballard took over. He's had to remake the entire roster and it's not quite there yet
                          You have a point it doesn't take very long to rebuild in the NFL (or fall off a cliff either) we could easily be back in it with the right pieces but so many other things have to go your way to make it happen as well.