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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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  • Although I do not expect him to break the bank on some players he could upgrade the roster with Tyrell Williams wide reciever from San Diego who wouldn't cost crazy amounts of money. The pass rush is not going to be easy to upgrade. Trey Flowers is probably the only guy who will hit the market and be a all around defensive end that would replace Sheard after next year.

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    • So.... Adam V...
      Retire? Re-signed? Let go?
      It's reached the point where it's a serious question going forward. He's been a tremendous part of the team and a bridge to the Super bowl and Manning era, but he's getting up there and missed 2 relatively simple kicks in an important playoff game. And he had a few issues this season. Of course there was an injury at play too.
      As I read elsewhere, his age already has him in the \gamble to sign/ range because slowing down is eventually inevitable, but now there's been a couple chinks in the armor so it's not just pure speculation and 'what if' talk.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • The more I reflect on it, the more I convinced I am that the magnitude of this game totally overwhelmed us. If you think about the Houston game last week, they are an inferior team to KC, the crowd isn't as maniacal, climate controlled, and a place we had just played a few weeks ago. The latter being particularly important to us going in with a level of comfort and confidence. We also could have beat them a second time in the close game at our place,

        KC game challenged us in multiple ways the Texans didn't, plus we had no familiarity factor. Had not played them this year. That made the Houston game feel like an extension of the regular season, despite being on the road. KC then became the legit playoff opener with all the requisite pressure in poor conditions and a crazed away venue. Outside a select few players, we are a very young team, and we saw that. And even the playoff-tested vets played rattled (Vinny, Luck). Finally, pile on top of all those factors the media attention we garnered leading up to KC, including many pundit actually picking us to win, and you have a high-pressure situation on the road where the psychology of the under dog, nothing to lose mindset has been usurped. That's my theory anyway. It doesn't excuse anything, but I do think it was a significant contributor to our performance.

        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

        -Emiliano Zapata

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        • Another big factor is not having your vet leadership lead by example and compete despite the circumstances and/or digging an early hole. Luck and Vinatieri in particular were huge disappointments.

          It's odd. I mentioned in an earlier post that I observed Luck looking timid, not confident in his demeanor on camera before kick off. It's almost exactly how Vinateri reacted to shanking his attempts. But after the FG miss to close the 1st half, I anticipated the miss on the second extra point. To me, that just shoss the lack of confidence that he and Luck seemed to share. It was as if after one setback, they wallowed in it instead of trying overcome it.

          That crystallized the attitude I saw from those two all game. While the defense at least had some pride and competed despite getting behind, the two guys who are supposed to model toughness and dependability just didn't show up. The season in total was a smashing success. It provides a lot of optimism moving forward. However, in terms of Luck, this performance leaves him with something to prove in terms of setting the tone for the team in the post season against the big boys.
          Last edited by D-BONE; 01-13-2019, 09:10 AM.
          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

          -Emiliano Zapata

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          • Originally posted by Bball View Post
            So.... Adam V...
            Retire? Re-signed? Let go?
            It's reached the point where it's a serious question going forward. He's been a tremendous part of the team and a bridge to the Super bowl and Manning era, but he's getting up there and missed 2 relatively simple kicks in an important playoff game. And he had a few issues this season. Of course there was an injury at play too.
            As I read elsewhere, his age already has him in the \gamble to sign/ range because slowing down is eventually inevitable, but now there's been a couple chinks in the armor so it's not just pure speculation and 'what if' talk.
            I think AV has had enough chinks in the armor the last year or two to think we'll move in a different direction. On the other hand, sentimentally for Irsay, that could be a no go. And, of course, what will people say when a new kicker airmails a couple attempts? But, personally, I am ready to move on.
            I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

            -Emiliano Zapata

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            • Turning to off-season and continuing to improve the roster, while I think the O-line is in a strong position, I'm not 100% sold on Glowinski. I wonder where the TPTB is on him as a long-term starter? Will they bring back Slauson for depth or otherwise if he's healthy? If I could tweak that line, I would hope to bring in a high-quality tackle prospect and eventually move Smith to Glowinski's guard spot. Not easily accomplished of course.
              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

              -Emiliano Zapata

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              • I did some quick research and the last year both the Colts and Pacers missed the playoffs was 1988. That is pretty amazing. But only ten times in the past thirty years have the Colts and Pacers both made the playoffs. It should be 11 after this season.
                Last edited by hoosierguy; 01-13-2019, 12:57 PM.

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                • Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                  I did some quick research and the last year both the Colts and Pacers missed the playoffs was 1988. That is pretty amazing. But only ten times in the past thirty years have the Colts and Pacers both made the playoffs. It should be 11 after this season.
                  For a small market, we’ve had two pretty successful franchises over the last 25 or so years. The Colts made two Super Bowls, won one of them, and have won a ton of games. Far more successful over that time period than most teams.

                  The NBA is an extremely top heavy league with a select few franchises dominating over the last quarter century since the Pacers became NBA relevant. The Pacers have done pretty well in that environment given the nature of the NBA.

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                  • Look at how the Pats establish the run and have a bunch of short throws. Not much of that from the Colts yesterday. Disappointed in Reich’s game plan given how adaptable he’s been in the past.

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                    • Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                      Look at how the Pats establish the run and have a bunch of short throws. Not much of that from the Colts yesterday. Disappointed in Reich’s game plan given how adaptable he’s been in the past.
                      It's hard to say we abandoned the run. We never gave it much of a chance. Should have been more intentional early on.
                      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                      -Emiliano Zapata

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                      • Originally posted by D-BONE View Post

                        It's hard to say we abandoned the run. We never gave it much of a chance. Should have been more intentional early on.
                        That’s what I meant to say - I meant it was abandoned from its success in previous weeks..

                        The lack of short passing routes and rolling out Luck was just as maddening.

                        I really wonder how that game goes if Ebron doesn’t drop that ball to give us a first down on the first drive. Maybe we don’t pick up another first and come up scoreless on that drive anyway, but maybe not. That drop was a killer and their offense immediately pounced. Seemed like we never recovered.

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                        • Originally posted by D-BONE View Post

                          It's hard to say we abandoned the run. We never gave it much of a chance. Should have been more intentional early on.
                          I wonder if Reich was planning on more of a shootout to keep pace with their scoring and instead just ended up in a hole.
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • While the Chargers could still win today, starting the game at 1PM gives the Pats a serious advantage. I was a little surprised to see today's game be 1PM since the Chargers are coming from the West coast. I had assumed the NFL would make this a 4PM game to negate that type of disadvantage. Plus, it makes the game live in LA at 9AM so it doesn't even make much sense from a ratings standpoint.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • We looked like a team that had been in playoff mode for over 2 months and just finally ran outta gas. They went way farther than we thought they would, and the extended run just finally wore them out. They almost looked mentally tired.

                              All good. Let's rest up, use the cap space, keep on drafting, and storm the castle next season.
                              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                              • Originally posted by Bball View Post
                                While the Chargers could still win today, starting the game at 1PM gives the Pats a serious advantage. I was a little surprised to see today's game be 1PM since the Chargers are coming from the West coast. I had assumed the NFL would make this a 4PM game to negate that type of disadvantage. Plus, it makes the game live in LA at 9AM so it doesn't even make much sense from a ratings standpoint.
                                The NFC has become the money conference now so I get why they show those games later than earlier.. The AFC conference is the Pats vs the field.

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