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Colts 2018-2019 Post Season Thread

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  • Bball
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    PUBLISHED: JAN 14TH, 2019 - 4:17PM (EST)UPDATED: JAN 14TH, 2019 - 4:33PM (EST)
    INDIANAPOLIS (WTHR) — Colts kicker Adam Vinatieri's future with the team is unclear.

    In a news conference on Monday, Colts General Manager Chris Ballard answered questions about the Colts' season and what he thinks the future looks like.

    One of the questions that arose during the news conference was whether Adam Vinatieri would remain the Colts' kicker.

    Vinatieri missed an extra point and a field goal during the playoff game against the Kansas City Chiefs — an unusual occurrence for the veteran player.

    "Texted him last night. I think he can still kick in the league and be a really good kicker," Ballard said referring to Vinatieri.

    When asked if Vinatieri would be a future kicker in Indianapolis, Ballard responded; "We'll see."

    https://www.wthr.com/article/well-se...is-future-team

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
    The 3rd down pass on the 1st drive to Ebron was definitely a catchable ball, but it was also far from a good ball. I don't think Luck is free from criticism on that play. I think his inaccuracy was evident from the get go and that could have been a MORE catchable throw. I will place blame on both.
    Oh yeah, bad throw. Still gotta be reeled in though.

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  • D-BONE
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    The 3rd down pass on the 1st drive to Ebron was definitely a catchable ball, but it was also far from a good ball. I don't think Luck is free from criticism on that play. I think his inaccuracy was evident from the get go and that could have been a MORE catchable throw. I will place blame on both.

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  • PocketwatchFox
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    So with either Mahomes or Brady going to the Super Bowl, does that bode well for Andrew Luck going to the Pro Bowl after all? #NotThatItReallyMatters

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  • Bball
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    I'm definitely anxious to see the off season acquisitions and even any changes to the coaching staff. Reich has had a year to see his team on the field and evaluate the coaching staff. I wouldn't be surprised to see a staff tweak just get or add someone more in line with his thoughts. And I wouldn't be surprised to see it all stay the same. Ballard has also now had a year to see 'his' team as it stands.

    The defense was a bit of a work in progress fitting square pegs in round holes and just trying to play to the strengths and hide weaknesses. So now there's an offseason to fill some spots with players they think fit what they are trying to do a little better. The first half of the KC game excepted, the defense held up it's part of the bargain this season. A better rush off the edge wouldn't hurt.

    A sure handed slot receiver would be nice. Just more tweaking an improvement for the O line that's definitely headed in the right direction. Or should I say the Reich direction because a lot of the improvement can be pointed to as better play designs and use of personnel. If you set the line up to succeed they can actually gel and improve naturally. Nelson didn't hurt up front either though...

    All the talk about Brown and Bell... I'm undecided. I trust Ballard right now on that kind of decision.

    The team doesn't need wholesale changes. A little more depth, some natural progress, and we're in OK shape anyway. A couple of homerun FA's or draft picks could really set this team up though. I have to think Brissett will be on the block for a trade too.... assuming he's not a FA?

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    Ebron is still an issue. He definitely improved from the dropsy-doos he had at the beginning of the season, but you could still count on him to drop perfectly thrown balls at any point in any game. That 3rd down catch was definitely one of them. Every receiver is going to miss one some time but that was a pretty important one to miss and really no excuse for it. You'd kind of rather have another option at that crucial of a point in the game.
    If he drops one in the endzone on 3rd down you just kick the FG but a drive killing 3rd down drop, a 3 and out even, against a high flying offense was big.

    But that said, sure the Chiefs came down the field and put up 7 on their next drive, but the Colts got the ball back and did nothing with it again. So it's hard to pin too much blame on that one drop. But it was definitely part of the snowball.
    Whether we ultimately would have scored or not, going 3 and out on the first drive is just one of those things that sets a really bad tone early on and gives the other a team a lot of fire right out the gate. Just not good on the road in that environment.

    This loss doesn’t bother so much after watching what NE did to SD. I’m fine not having to sit through another humiliation in Foxboro. Hopefully we have an improved team if we meet NE in next year’s playoffs.

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  • Bball
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    Ebron is still an issue. He definitely improved from the dropsy-doos he had at the beginning of the season, but you could still count on him to drop perfectly thrown balls at any point in any game. That 3rd down catch was definitely one of them. Every receiver is going to miss one some time but that was a pretty important one to miss and really no excuse for it. You'd kind of rather have another option at that crucial of a point in the game.
    If he drops one in the endzone on 3rd down you just kick the FG but a drive killing 3rd down drop, a 3 and out even, against a high flying offense was big.

    But that said, sure the Chiefs came down the field and put up 7 on their next drive, but the Colts got the ball back and did nothing with it again. So it's hard to pin too much blame on that one drop. But it was definitely part of the snowball.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by PocketwatchFox View Post

    #1 especially. I know these guys are pros and they're drilled to forget the last bad play and never give up until the final gun sounds, but they're human too and I can't help but think that drive may have been a morale killer. The whole first half they couldn't get out of their own way and finally they were showing some signs of life only to have Lucy pull the ball out from under them (fittingly enough on a FG attempt)
    I should have also included the first drive Ebron drop on the 3rd and short. That seemed to be an immediate morale killer because not only did we fail to get a first down, but KC immediately hung 7 on us. That sequence completely set the tone for the game. If Ebron gets that first down, maybe we fail to get the first down on the next set and it ends up not mattering. But maybe we instead get immediate confidence from the first down and score. No way of knowing. That was a killer drop.
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-14-2019, 10:37 AM.

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  • PocketwatchFox
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    There were two absolutely killer offensive possessions last night. If we hadn’t blown them, we might have had a legit chance of winning that game.

    1) The Drive at the end of the first half where we marched it down near the end zone. We went from “we might get a TD here” to “ugh, we gotta settle for 3” to “holy crap he missed the kick and we get a big fat zero on the drive.”

    2) Leonard made a brilliant defensive play near the end of the third and recovered a fumble, giving the Colts the ball at about the KC 20. Luck went incomplete on the first play, then fumbled. That was the possession where Reich’s play calling was the worst. Should have ran the ball or established some short routes and checkdown routes like NE always does. NE always masters the easy stuff.

    To come up with a big fat zero on either one of those possessions would have been bad enough, but it’s just unbelievable that we managed a combined 0 on both of those drives. Those two drives were the ball game.

    Oh well, all a win last night would have earned us is yet another massacre at the hands of Brady. He would have carved our zone up and we probably would have lost 52-10 or something. At least we were spared that humiliation.
    #1 especially. I know these guys are pros and they're drilled to forget the last bad play and never give up until the final gun sounds, but they're human too and I can't help but think that drive may have been a morale killer. The whole first half they couldn't get out of their own way and finally they were showing some signs of life only to have Lucy pull the ball out from under them (fittingly enough on a FG attempt)

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  • Sollozzo
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    There were two absolutely killer offensive possessions last night. If we hadn’t blown them, we might have had a legit chance of winning that game.

    1) The Drive at the end of the first half where we marched it down near the end zone. We went from “we might get a TD here” to “ugh, we gotta settle for 3” to “holy crap he missed the kick and we get a big fat zero on the drive.”

    2) Leonard made a brilliant defensive play near the end of the third and recovered a fumble, giving the Colts the ball at about the KC 20. Luck went incomplete on the first play, then fumbled. That was the possession where Reich’s play calling was the worst. Should have ran the ball or established some short routes and checkdown routes like NE always does. NE always masters the easy stuff.

    To come up with a big fat zero on either one of those possessions would have been bad enough, but it’s just unbelievable that we managed a combined 0 on both of those drives. Those two drives were the ball game.

    Oh well, all a win last night would have earned us is yet another massacre at the hands of Brady. He would have carved our zone up and we probably would have lost 52-10 or something. At least we were spared that humiliation.

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  • Cubs231721
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    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    While the Chargers could still win today, starting the game at 1PM gives the Pats a serious advantage. I was a little surprised to see today's game be 1PM since the Chargers are coming from the West coast. I had assumed the NFL would make this a 4PM game to negate that type of disadvantage. Plus, it makes the game live in LA at 9AM so it doesn't even make much sense from a ratings standpoint.
    They set the divisional round times before wildcard weekend so they didn't know if the Texans, Ravens, or Chargers were going to be in this game. Also, NE is the only Eastern Time zone team with a home game this weekend, so that makes it the natural early start game.

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  • Basketball Fan
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    Look at how the Pats establish the run and have a bunch of short throws. Not much of that from the Colts yesterday. Disappointed in Reich’s game plan given how adaptable he’s been in the past.
    Well Tommy Uggs is 41 years old Belichick has no illusions about what an old QB can do also this team doesn't live and die by the QB something the Colts keep making the same mistake with....

    That being said I trust the Chiefs will be a far more formidable opponent for the Pats for one thing they have to go to Arrowhead. The last time the Pats won on the road was back in 2004 playoffs vs Pittsburgh. The last three road playoff games they had were with Manning at QB.

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  • Basketball Fan
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    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    While the Chargers could still win today, starting the game at 1PM gives the Pats a serious advantage. I was a little surprised to see today's game be 1PM since the Chargers are coming from the West coast. I had assumed the NFL would make this a 4PM game to negate that type of disadvantage. Plus, it makes the game live in LA at 9AM so it doesn't even make much sense from a ratings standpoint.
    The NFC has become the money conference now so I get why they show those games later than earlier.. The AFC conference is the Pats vs the field.

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  • Kid Minneapolis
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    We looked like a team that had been in playoff mode for over 2 months and just finally ran outta gas. They went way farther than we thought they would, and the extended run just finally wore them out. They almost looked mentally tired.

    All good. Let's rest up, use the cap space, keep on drafting, and storm the castle next season.

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  • Bball
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    While the Chargers could still win today, starting the game at 1PM gives the Pats a serious advantage. I was a little surprised to see today's game be 1PM since the Chargers are coming from the West coast. I had assumed the NFL would make this a 4PM game to negate that type of disadvantage. Plus, it makes the game live in LA at 9AM so it doesn't even make much sense from a ratings standpoint.

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