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2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

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  • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

    http://www.9news.com/sports/nfl/denv...nday/317321112

    Broncos to unveil retired number signage Sunday

    ENGLEWOOD - Peyton Manning was about to move into his retirement press conference at the Denver Broncos headquarters but before he did he took a seat across from Joe Ellis.

    During the exit interview in the office of the Denver Broncos’ president and chief executive officer, Ellis informed Manning there were plans to display the team’s three retired numbers inside the stadium for the first time.

    As part of that celebration, Ellis told Manning the team would recognize the quarterback for his accomplishments while wearing one of those retired numbers.

    The Broncos will honor their retired numbers during their game Sunday afternoon against the Indianapolis Colts. There will be the No. 7 for John Elway, No. 44 for Floyd Little and -- the first number ever retired by the organization -- No. 18 for Frank Tripucka.

    Banners of those three numbers will be placed to the left of the South Stands scoreboard, or a little above where Graham Gano hooked his missed field goal last week.

    Elway and Little will be there when their numbers are officially displayed in immortality. And on the 18th of September, there are expected to be 18 members of the Tripucka family representing Frank, who died three years ago, and his wife Randy, who will soon turn 89 and won’t be able to make the trip.

    “It could have been 15 of us, it could have been 25, or whatever,” said Kelly Tripucka, the former Notre Dame and NBA star and second youngest of Frank and Randy’s seven children. “We said, 18? Can you believe it? We have no idea how that happened.’’

    Manning will be in the stadium, too. Along with Tripucka’s No. 18 banner, the Broncos will include the name of Manning with the mention he wore that number from the 2012-15 season.

    “I thought it was a great idea,’’ T.K. Tripucka, the fifth of Frank Tripucka’s seven children, said of including Manning with his father’s No. 18. “The Broncos’ organization has always been great to my dad. I thought it was a great idea. The family’s thrilled about it.’’

    “It was always retired, Peyton just borrowed it,’’ Kelly said. “We’re thrilled Peyton wore the number. We’re thrilled he was successful. We’re thrilled the Broncos won the Super Bowl and he should certainly have a mention because he’s one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game.

    “And the fact he wore my father’s number, it kind of brought back memories and gave him some life. No problem whatsoever that he’s mentioned with this number.’’

    In fact, Frank Tripucka, the Broncos’ original quarterback in 1960 and the first in professional history to throw for 3,000 yards in a season, likely would have gone one more step and welcomed the sharing the retired No. 18 in Manning’s honor as well – as the New York Yankees did in retiring No. 8 for both Yogi Berra and Bill Dickey.

    “That’s the first one that came to mind because we had known Yogi for years,’’ T.K. said. “I played football against one of his sons, Dale, when I was in high school football.

    “If you knew my dad he didn’t live for honors. I always laughed, if someone called him and said ‘Frank, you’re going into Canton.’ He’d say, ‘Oh, OK. Do I have to be there?’’’

    “When they retired my father’s number he didn’t think much of it,’’ said Mark, the third oldest Tripucka child who was 9 years old when his dad played in the Broncos’ inaugural season of 1960. “He said, ‘Thank you.’ It was back in 1966. After that was over, 50 years goes by and Peyton calls, and dad, said, ‘Sure you can have the number.’’’

    Manning was the most sought-after, free-agent player in NFL history when the Broncos signed him in March, 2012. Manning had worn No. 18 with the Indy Colts for 14 years and before his introductory press conference in Denver, he called Frank Tripucka at his New Jersey residence.

    During the conversation, Tripucka encouraged Manning to wear the No. 18.

    “My father knew how great Peyton Manning had been for the league,’’ Kelly said. “His family -- I think my mom has a very high regard for Mr. and Mrs. (Archie) Manning and their kids and how successful they’ve been. I think it reminded my mom of her kids even though we have seven of us.’’

    Frank Tripucka died Sept. 12, 2013, five days after Manning threw 7 touchdown passes in the season opener, on his way to an NFL single-season record 55 touchdown passes.

    Three days after Frank died, the Broncos were playing their second game of the 2013 season against the New York Giants in the Meadowlands. The day before the game, Manning visited with the Tripucka clan at the team hotel.

    “As a guy who’s older than him and was a professional athlete, I think Peyton’s tremendous,’’ Kelly said. “He couldn’t have been more of a gentleman in how he handled it.’’

    Only two players ever wore the number No. 18 for the Broncos. No other player will wear it again.

    It was a tricky situation for the Broncos, but credit Ellis with a creative solution. Tripucka’s No. 18 was retired without ceremony in the 1960s.

    “Obviously, today with the media everything is so much more pronounced and blown up,’’ T.K. said. “Back then they said we’ll retire your number and there’s a picture of him in the newspaper next to a jersey on a hanger. That was it.’’

    Compared to some other sports franchises, the Broncos are judicious in retiring numbers. Elway and Little were franchise players. Both are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They were no-brainers.

    Manning presented a unique dilemma. He will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, too, in five years but roughly 75 percent of his record-setting career passing yards and touchdowns were thrown while playing for the Colts.

    Then again, the Broncos posted records of 13-3, 13-3, 12-4 and 12-4 in Manning’s four seasons. His 2013 season was the best single quarterback year of all time as his 55 touchdowns and 5,477 yards remain records. He led the team to four division titles in four years, plus two Super Bowl appearances and one world championship.

    Manning is more than worthy of eventual election into the Broncos’ Ring of Fame. But a retired number? Terrell Davis and Pro Football Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe don’t have their numbers retired.

    It would be difficult to retire a number in Manning’s honor before the likes of Davis, Sharpe or even Champ Bailey.

    Tripucka was also a rare case. He only played three full seasons for the Broncos, and two games into a fourth season of 1963 when he retired.

    He threw 51 touchdown passes against 85 interceptions for the Broncos. But what modern football fans may not realize is in the early American Football League days of the 1960s the thinking was that if a quarterback didn’t throw two interceptions a game, he wasn’t aggressive enough with his passes. Joe Namath, George Blanda, Jack Kemp and John Hadl were all AFL star quarterbacks who threw more interceptions than touchdowns.

    It was Broncos general manager Dean Griffing and owners’ Robert Howsam and Gerald Phipps who wanted to show their appreciation to Tripucka for lifting the franchise from possible embarrassment to one that was usually competitive each week, if not always victorious. Randy has said it was Howsam’s idea to honor Tripucka by retiring his No. 18.

    “They don’t understand back in 1960 it wasn’t how good he was, the Broncos didn’t have anything,’’ Mark said. “He gave them a little bit of respectability.’’

    Frank Tripucka started his career playing for the NFL Detroit Lions in 1949, then the Chicago Cardinals (now the Arizona Cardinals) in the early 1950s and then the rest of the decade in the Canadian Football League.

    Griffing had also worked previously in the CFL as a coach and scout, and he recruited Tripucka to the Broncos – as a coach.

    But after a few practices, it was obvious the Broncos – who lost their first four preseason games by scores of 43-6, 31-14, 42-3 and 48-0 – were a disaster at quarterback.

    “They said what do you want (in salary),’’ Kelly said. “He said, ‘double.’ They said you’ve got it. And he said, ‘Damn, I should have said triple.’ That was my father.’’

    Tripucka quarterbacked the Broncos in their fifth and final preseason game and they lost to the Los Angeles Chargers, 36-30. Tripucka then led the Broncos to wins in their first two AFL games. He threw the first touchdown pass in AFL history.

    “Believe me that he played those 3 ½ years was amazing because he was old,’’ Mark Tripucka said. “He didn’t really want to come back and play quarterback. The head coach talked him into it, Frank Filchock.’’

    The beauty of Manning wearing Tripucka’s number? With many of the old greats, their names go up in the stadium façade, and they are soon forgotten, not talked about for years.

    When Manning accepted the No. 18, it brought Tripucka’s legacy back to life.

    “No doubt. I can’t tell you how many times in the last couple years people even I knew, would tell me, “I did not realize your dad played for the Denver Broncos,’’’ T.K. said. “’I didn’t know his number was retired.’ I get comments like that all the time.’’

    The retired number ceremony will be a proud moment for Tripucka’s children – twins Heather and Tracy are the oldest, followed by Mark, Todd, T.K., Kelly and Chris. They range in age from 66 to 53. The Broncos are flying them out for their dad’s big day.

    Chris will have the most difficult challenge attending the ceremony. His son Shane Tripucka, Frank’s grandson, will punt for Texas A&M on Saturday at Auburn. Chris is going to that game in Auburn before he hurries to Denver in time for the retired ceremony on Sunday afternoon.

    “It’s great that the Broncos are doing this,’’ T.K. said. “I was telling Patrick Smyth (the Broncos’ vice president of public relations) I haven’t been to Denver since 1961. You could have heard his jaw drop.’’

    “My dad would probably think you’re making a big deal out of nothing,’’ Kelly said. “I don’t want to speak for him – in fact it was three years ago today that he passed away -- but my dad would think you’re fussing over him and he didn’t think he was that big of a star. He loved Denver. Absolutely loved everything about it.

    “I’m thrilled with how Pat Bowlen and his family treated him and my mother. Included him in everything.

    “But it was just a number to him – he holds it in high regard, but this was Peyton Manning, he wanted to borrow it. OK, no problem. The last thing he told him was, ‘Wear the number in good health and do one favor for me: Go win a Super Bowl.’ And look what happened.’’

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    • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

      Originally posted by Bball View Post
      One rule that gets me, and I can't tell if it's really that I think it's wrong or that the Colts seem to always be doing it and so now I'm just biased against it... Holding... 10 yards seems like too much of a penalty. I'm fine with the call... just wish it was a 5 yard penalty.
      If that were the case, teams would just hold any time someone was close to sacking the QB.

      There's already too many rules helping the offense as is

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      • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
        I've lost interest in the league as it's become more about a political agenda and less about football.

        Over the last couple years, you've had: The media hyping up Michael Sam as if he were Jackie Robinson even though he was just an attention-seeking scrub, more fury over a sports league not punishing Ray Rice harshly than the criminal justice system failing (which is what really mattered), the Redskins name "controversy" (the biggest phony issue of all time, barely anyone cares about that even though the media tried desperately hard to make it an issue), never ending obsession about Goodell's power and Deflategate....and now you have the sports media heralding a bunch of smug players spitting on the flag by kneeling during the national anthem as the nation honored the 15th anniversary of an attack which killed 3,000 people from every sort of socio-economic background imaginable.

        The football has become a background to a pious media who think that their covering of a bunch of grown men playing a game in tights gives them the green light to constantly shove a political agenda down everyone's throat. I watch sports as a release from the real world, not to hear a sportscaster use their position as a sports reporter as an avenue to shove their agenda down my throat. The league just isn't as fun to follow as it used to be.
        I have the opposite political view on some of these issues but that doesn't matter. It has no place in sports. It seems like in the United States we are constantly in a presidential election cycle, since campaigning begins like three years before the election. There are several television stations dedicated to nothing but politics. I live close to a battleground state so when I turn on the television there is nothing but political ads. Sports should be the one place where you can escape this, but you can't, and the NFL is extra offensive.

        It is more the fault of the media than the NFL though in some cases. You had the Lebron era Heat at one point wearing hoodies and talking about Black Lives Matter. It was their First Amendment right, the media covered it for a few days, and the world moved on. We've been talking about Kaepernick for how long? Neither he nor his franchise is comparable to the Lebron era Heat. How long did we keep hearing about Tebow when he was the placekick holder for the Jets or whatever? Just cover the sport. I want to watch the game. But the NFL thrives off of this stupid drama. I hate the league.

        The new rules may protect the players. That's great. But it makes the game boring, tedious, and more about the officials than the players themselves. Something has to give. I think we already saw peak NFL popularity around 2012ish. If people lose interest in fantasy football, watch out.

        The value the league offers just isn't there for me anymore. I work 50-60 hours a week generally. I value the weekend. And I'm not wasting like 25% of a day watching football and suffering through commercials. That's the beauty of the NBA, a couple hours and you're done.
        Last edited by idioteque; 09-14-2016, 09:20 AM.

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        • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

          Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
          If that were the case, teams would just hold any time someone was close to sacking the QB.

          There's already too many rules helping the offense as is
          Yeah, holding is not my problem

          My issues lie in the continuing inconsistency of what is and is not a catch. What is a late hit. What is a helmet to helmet hit.

          Why does something like an intentional grounding offset a personal foul? Things like that.


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          • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

            I'd definitely do away with the commercial after the kick off.
            Score, extra point, commercial, kick off, commercial....
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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            • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

              The games are just flat out too long at this point. We can blame the commercials, but the other stoppages are just too much as well.

              The commercials are a good place to start though in terms of trimming back. I would look to more in game ads. Maybe even something like NASCAR where they go PIP for like 30 seconds and run an ad or two while action continues.


              Baseball has been getting killed for this for years now and NFL games are worse. The Colts game kicked off at 4:25 and I didn't get out of LOS until 8PM basically. That's insane. I was in my seat at 4PM, so basically 4 hours in the stadium for less than 30 minutes of actual action. I want to support the Colts and part of me still loves the sport, but it's becoming harder and harder to dedicate the time AND justify supporting a league with so many issues.


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              • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

                Originally posted by Bball View Post
                I'd definitely do away with the commercial after the kick off.
                Score, extra point, commercial, kick off, commercial....
                If you have 2 bad offenses like say the Niners and Rams, it honestly begins to feel like the sports equivalent of water boarding. 3 offensive plays, punt, commercial, rinse and repeat. It's horrible.


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                • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

                  I've resorted to recording football/basketball games and starting them about an hour late. Makes the viewing experience immensely better.
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

                    Then you also have what Mark Cuban talked about, the over saturation of NFL games. It was great when your team almost always played on Sunday (and almost always at 1). Now there are four possible days out of the week for a game. London games at 9AM? Double header on MNF? Thursday and Saturday games? F that.
                    Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
                    I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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                    • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

                      Also, the penalties for celebrations have gotten out of hand. I saw the first quarter of the Broncos-Seahawks and some lineman got penalized for jumping up and down after a touchdown. I think he was facing an opposing player, but it didn't resemble taunting in the slightest, it was obviously just a gut reaction to a good play and the defender didn't even seem to notice it much less react. The penalty flew in the face of common sense.

                      Then, you penalize Antonio Brown for shaking his booty for about 4 seconds after a touchdown. Not a coordinated celebration with teammates, not taunting a defender. Why? Why is fun not allowed? The NFL is approaching "unwritten rules of baseball" level with this stuff. Which is fine if you want your audience to get older and older and turn off kids, I guess. I'm not calling for anything goes. But let the players have some fun. Part of the reason I like the NBA better is that they let the players be more self expressive. This is sports, not an argument before the Supreme Court. The NFL has gotten so hilariously sanctimonious and they take themselves way too seriously.
                      Last edited by idioteque; 09-14-2016, 02:38 PM.

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                      • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

                        Originally posted by BornIndy07 View Post
                        Take the Colts on Sunday, +6. Trust me

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                        Of course the Colts will win they own the Broncos have for as long as I can remember. The Broncos will be called for everything thanks to those hits Cam took and the Colts manage to win games you don't expect them to at least with Luck at the helm.

                        Then they will have a let down vs the Chargers at home.

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                        • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

                          Apparently this is what life was like before Manning played for either the Colts/Broncos... this makes me feel old.

                          http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...gn=Twitter_atn

                          23-year itch: No Peyton in Colts-Broncos matchup


















                          By Dan Hanzus
























                          Time for an NFL history lesson, folks.

                          Where were we on that weekend 23 autumns ago? Well, "Dreamlover" by a 24-year-old Mariah Carey was smack in the middle of an eight-week reign as the No. 1 single in America. This was in the sweet spot of Mariah's "Good Girl" period.


                          Malice, a tepid medical thriller starring Alec Baldwin and Nicole Kidman, debuted at No. 1 at the box office. No one remembers this movie, but it does have Baldwin's "I am God" speech, which is essential. "Now, go ahead and read your bible (pauses, turns up Baldwin Snark to '11') Dennis."


                          Bill Clinton was the President of the United States. Earlier in the year, he was sworn into office and celebrated by attending the MTV Inaugural Ball with Hillary. Tabitha Soren introduces them. Hillary enters the stage wearing an overcoat from the 1840s. Fleetwood Mac is blaring through the auditorium. This what life was like in 1993.


                          A week before the Colts and Broncos met in Week 5, Boy Meets World debuted on ABC. BMW is to millennials what Saved By The Bell is to the previous generation of Americans: An odd cultural touchstone that gets referenced way too much in casual conversation.


                          As for Peyton Manning? In October 1993, he was a senior at Newman School in New Orleans, playing on the same varsity team his brother starred on. No, not that one. Cooper, man. Cooper! Look at Peyton fly down that sideline!


                          And what happened in that last pre-Peyton Colts-Broncos showdown? John Elway threw for 230 yards and two scores in a 35-13 Denver win. Five years later, Manning would share the field with the quarterback who -- 14 years after that -- would sign him in free agency. History, man.

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                          • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

                            So, Edge and Bob Sanders are among the nominees for the HOF next year....

                            http://www.colts.com/news/article-1/...961600=1#start

                            I know what the odds are, but I would eat a shoe and like it if Bob got in somehow.
                            "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                            "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                            • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

                              Sanders was great when healthy, but I don't see how he could possibly get in when he essentially only played two full seasons.

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                              • Re: 2016 Indianapolis Colts regular season thread - Here comes the pain!

                                If both get in, which probably won't happen with Bob, that would mean that era of Colts would probably have 7 HOFer's. Crazy.

                                Peyton
                                Marvin
                                Reggie
                                Edge
                                Sanders
                                Freeney
                                Mathis
                                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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