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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
Hill is a great defender, you are basically asking him to run around screens against blazing quick PGs because Hibbert is staying low to protect the rim. Which makes Hill look worse than he really is.Comment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
Can people really still value Hill over Leonard for our team at this point? The guy is one good performance away from being Finals MVP! In regards to what it would mean for Lance, as much as I love Lance on our team, if we had a PG/Leonard backcourt Lance would either have to take a happy role as a sixth man for a championship primed team, or take a hike. Or, I can easily see Leonard holding his own against a lot of PFs in todays league, and could see the three playing together for long stretches. I know we don't get anywhere with the "what-ifs", but I just have to express...I KNEW WE WOULD RUE THE DAY "THE CLAW" WON FINALS MVP!Comment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
Lance, assuming he can play nicely with his team mates, could play PG. In fact, he often did play PG against the defending champs so this idea that he cannot do that needs to be put to rest.
A guard/wing combo of Lance, Paul and Leonard would be devastating.Comment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
Yes. You win games with more talented players. Cannot get stuck thinking about positions, and where players fit in. Leonard is better than Hill. You get the best players together, regardless of their positions. How everyone fits will sort itself out. This line of thinking lead Cleveland into drafting Anthony Bennett over Victor OladipoBeing unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank VogelComment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
Hill being a "better fit" for our team at the time is total BS. Our starting PG at the time was Darren Collison, who is about as good as George Hill. George Hill was not an upgrade over DC.Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank VogelComment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
This offseason would be much different...
We wouldn't have G3's contract which would make it much easier to keep Lance
We most likely never would've signed Gerald Green which would mean we still have Plumlee and our 1st
We could be coming off a Finals sweep (loss)
Instead we've made two straight Eastern Conference Finals with both losses coming to LeBron (who has ended our season three consecutive years). Considering Michael, Kobe, and/or Shaq (Shaq once with Orlando) ended our season a combined three times but that team still goes down as an all-time favorite.... I'd say we're doing alright with ourselves.
Think about it. Yes we keep losing, but we keep losing to the best player in the game. The Reggie era couldn't even make it to Mike twice, but this team has made it to LeBron three times in a row. I'm probably in the minority here, but I'd say G3 Lance PG West and Hibbert is a pretty solid core. Keep making tweaks to the bench and hope for the best. Other than that, this team is already better than Reggie's squads.
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
My suspicion is that George Hill would be having a great finals right now if we hadn't made the trade.Comment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
We should of traded Granger for a PG and kept Kawhi. I was a supporter of that trade at the time but looking back it's a pretty bad one.
Granger was still a very viable player at the time and would of fetched a much better player than Hill.
Instead we kept him and got very little production from him since, and Hill has been average at best with no upside. Kawhi looks like a bonafied star player in this series.Last edited by Taterhead; 06-15-2014, 01:08 AM."Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"Comment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
It may have also changed history. If we select any of those guys over Hansbrough, maybe we're a bit better in 2010 and don't select at #10 to take Paul George. What if someone else had scooped him up a handful of picks before us? It's hard to say that everything else would've align exactly how it has. The Pacers are still pretty fortunate where we stand today, even if we're Leonard-less.Comment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
So imagine we had Leonard and PG as our swingmen ..."So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
George Hill is way better than Collison. Hill is not a great point guard, but he is adequate. Collison was not adequate. Bad defender, bad distributor. A good one on one player and offensive talent, but not a point guard.
The problem is, our demands and expectations now exceed "adequate." We need more than adequate at point guard. So, we better move Lance there and hope he continues to excel and improve, or we better make a trade.
KLeonard is an excellent player, but we don't do as well Hill's first two years with us if the trade is not made. I'm no huge Hill fan, but he is a pretty solid player."Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." โKevin Pritchard press conference
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
Your suspicion isn't very good as Leonard wouldn't be a Spur neither would Green or Diaw. Hill couldn't match Leonard's production, and the Spurs wouldn't be the same w/o Green and Diaw. Bottom line is the Spurs are leading in the playoffs 3-1, b/c they traded George Hill. It was best for the Spurs future, and RC Buford and Pop knew it.Comment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
Hill came in the year of the strike. The Pacers PG was DC for 56 of those games, AND ONLY when DC got injured did Hill become the starter. Hill couldn't even beat out a "healthy" DC for starting PG. The Pacers had a winning record that season with DC as the starting PG.
You're right DC wasn't very good at playing "D", but he could drive and dish better, he could pass better, and he was a better PG than Hill. Let's also not forget the Orlando series where Nelson was abusing Hill, and it only stopped when the Pacers went to playing DC.
As far as turning the keys over to Stephenson as PG, between him Hill all they do with the ball is pound the air out of it and run the clock down b4 passing it to a player to force them into a poor shot.
They do their best Travis Best impersonation of pounding the air out of the ball. I want MUCH more and EXPECT more than that from a PG. Not to mention the Pacers DESERVE more. The Pacers WILL NEVER win a championship with George Hill as their starting PG. I never liked the trade for Hill, nor do I like the contract Walsh gave to overpay Hill.Comment
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Re: Would we be a better team right now if we would have kept K. Leonard?
Leonard is nice, but he's in a hechuva system... Hill is in a pretty bad spot in terms of fitting his strengths.
George Hill himself looked like a stud in San Antonio.There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.Comment
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