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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

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  • #46
    Re: The window has closed

    Does anyone think this compares, in any way, to the Larry Brown team that "fell from grace"?
    I don't know if the two teams are similar in any way, but the disappointment is.

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    • #47
      Re: The window has closed

      Originally posted by Tom White View Post
      Does anyone think this compares, in any way, to the Larry Brown team that "fell from grace"?
      I don't know if the two teams are similar in any way, but the disappointment is.
      That team had some major injuries - McKey and Smits. Plus that was when Mark Jackson was traded and Best was trying to be a point guard .

      I don't see it the same way as far as comparing the 1997 season to 2014. 1997 we were never good.

      It compares more to the 2003 season.

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      • #48
        Re: The window has closed

        If they do blow this series, then I am really worried about fan support next year. Even if the Pacers start hot out of the gate again, there is going to be a major "Wait and see" from the public to see if the whole thing falls apart again.

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        • #49
          Re: The window has closed

          Originally posted by Ragnar View Post
          The Pacers are a starting quality PG away from being a true contender, that's all this team needs.

          Best case scenario, Hill is traded in exchange for a future 1st. We steal Crawford from the Clippers after this Sterling mess. Start him at PG. Trade Hibbert to OKC for Perk, Lamb, and another smaller salaried player. Go sign Greg Monroe to a contract. Perkins comes off the books Summer of 2015 so nothing to worry about salary wise.

          I'd re-sign Lance under the condition he works on his decision making and jump shot in the off-season. His jumper and 3 pointer need to continue to get better. I'd keep Turner. I still have faith that all his faults like lost on defense at times, and foot speed can be cured with off-season work. Also feeling more comfortable with the team, and a new extension would relieve a lot of ails. He could be a sixth man candidate off the bench, and I also think his jumper can get better with off-season work. I really like his passing, and we have no one off our bench who can move the ball like Evan can.

          Copeland is about as close to a good passer/ball-mover as we have off our bench. Outside of Evan. I also like Evan's discipline. If he takes two or 3 shots and they don't fall, he quickly deviates to trying to affect the game with rebounds and assists. He's a mature player, I just think the mid-season trade for a player who isn't a prototypical off-screen catch-and-shoot guard was a bit rough on him. I would hate to let a young talent like him go, he's the perfect bench piece.

          He can get others involved very nicely. Anyways, Lamb, Copeland, Turner, Watson would be our be our bench next season. I would extend LaVoy Allen for backup center.




          Turner and Copeland will and should be KEY pieces off our bench next season. Along with CJ.

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          • #50
            Re: The window has closed

            Originally posted by BillS View Post
            I understand the concern, but I'm stunned at the number of people who think this is harder than watching a team play hopelessly year after year.

            With great expectations comes great opportunity for disappointment. And anyone who has played or cheered for teams in competitive sports know that only one team wins its last game. That means disappointment is normal, unless you're "that guy".

            This collapse has made me angry more because of how it is perceived by the rest of the NBA than anything else. I was hoping for some national TV games, for a star on national commercials we could see wearing the Pacers logo. That's gone now - but if I didn't care about the team and what it does for the city I wouldn't care about that, either.

            I'd rather have a team in a position to get to the top, even if it is precarious and fails spectacularly, than have one that doesn't ever get within sight of the foothills.

            We've seen teams that looked like locks struggle for a few years before finding the true combination that works. Sometimes it's physical injury, sometimes it's mental, sometimes it's just bringing in that one piece or moving the piece you thought was integral for another one that works better.

            You learn from your failures more than your successes. No team that didn't hire in its superstars has ever reached the top of the league without taking two steps forward and one step back.

            This is far from the time to jump off the bus.
            The salary cap and the CBA make it so that, after this season, the Pacers will not have this amount of raw talent for years. And that is if we have similar luck with drafting starting in 2015.

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            • #51
              Re: The window has closed

              I'd hire Joe Dumars to be Spl Asst to Bird and Head of Player Development. Then I'd go after Doc Rivers as coach. Then I'd find me some Dale Davis and Kyle Korver clones. This team lacks toughness and plays soft. You dont see anyone really doing the dirty work ala DD, hell they don't even rebound as hard as Jeff Foster. Turner....gone. Hill...to the bench as the combo gaurd. Lance.....goodbye..he's providing cap space. PG....give me 1 or two 1st round picks and parts.
              Hibbert to a sports psychologist for the summer (and lose the extra weight).
              Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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              • #52
                Re: The window has closed

                Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
                I'd hire Joe Dumars to be Spl Asst to Bird and Head of Player Development. Then I'd go after Doc Rivers as coach. Then I'd find me some Dale Davis and Kyle Korver clones. This team lacks toughness and plays soft. You dont see anyone really doing the dirty work ala DD, hell they don't even rebound as hard as Jeff Foster. Turner....gone. Hill...to the bench as the combo gaurd. Lance.....goodbye..he's providing cap space. PG....give me 1 or two 1st round picks and parts.
                Hibbert to a sports psychologist for the summer (and lose the extra weight).
                Ouch.... trade PG but not Hibbert? Someone's really pissed this morning.
                You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                • #53
                  Re: The window has closed

                  Originally posted by Ragnar View Post

                  The Pacers are a starting quality PG away from being a true contender, that's all this team needs.

                  I agree this team needs a starting PG. Now, how can the Pacers get a QUALITY PG?

                  At the same time, the mental and emotional weaknesses need to be taken care of or you don't need a quality PG as it will be the SOS just a different year.

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                  • #54
                    Re: The window has closed

                    Originally posted by RWB View Post
                    Ouch.... trade PG but not Hibbert? Someone's really pissed this morning.
                    Hibberts huge contract makes him nearly untradeable. Besides, if he returns to form you are back to having a candidate for DPOY and a legit veteran 7 footer. And yes I am pissed.
                    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                    • #55
                      Re: The window has closed

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      I could see some changes made in the offseason, maybe a coaching change the pacers will still be a 55 win team.

                      So no, the window hasn't closed. The season might be essentially over, but this is far from a total re-build
                      I hope you're right, but I just don't see how this team sniffs 55, let alone 50, let alone...

                      I mean I look at their roster, and this is what I see...

                      Paul George: Absolutely a part of the future, will continue to improve, he'll be fine, hell, better next year. So here's a plus.

                      George Hill: At best, he'll only ever be inconsistent (and more absent than not) unless his role changes.

                      Lance Stephenson: Probably not back next year, and if he is, total wildcard.

                      David West: On the decline. Not quite the leader we thought he was.

                      Roy Hibbert: May never recover from this funk. If he does, you still know he's a ticking time bomb as he counts down toward the next funk.

                      So that's your starting 5 this year. And when you look to the bench...

                      Luis Scola: Absolutely not a part of the answer. More bad than good this year. Very limited defense, and first 3-4 shots tell all on offense.

                      CJ Watson: I'll buy him as part of the answer. Good bench player to have.

                      Evan Turner: Could he improve if resigned? Yes. But extremely limited player at best. He's only signed if the team doesn't re-sign Lance, and even then, it's a downgrade. Still not sure that's enough to convince Pacers to re-sign him.

                      Chris Copeland: Unless coaching staff changes, he'll never be used anyway. Even if he is, probably more of a Band-Aid player than a foundation player, even as a "bench foundation" player.

                      And, I mean, I could talk Donald Sloan or Rasual Butler, but what's the point? Bynum is done. Solomon Hill showed nothing this year to indicate he is ready to play at this level.

                      Add in no reinforcements really coming from this draft, and well, I don't really get the picture of optimism next year unless Paul George starts playing some LeBron-level ball...which isn't a remotely fair expectation.

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                      • #56
                        Re: The window has closed

                        This team just needs a quick Point guard. Move Hill to the 2 guard spot. Gosh I'd really take a haymaker swing at prying either Bledsoe or Dragic from PHX.
                        Or I'd look to get a sign and Trade with Lance for Gordon Hayward and one of their young bigs. Favors or Kanter.
                        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                        • #57
                          Re: The window has closed

                          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                          This team just needs a quick Point guard. Move Hill to the 2 guard spot. Gosh I'd really take a haymaker swing at prying either Bledsoe or Dragic from PHX.
                          Or I'd look to get a sign and Trade with Lance for Gordon Hayward and one of their young bigs. Favors or Kanter.
                          I'm all for moving Hill to the 2 guard if they can figure out the PG position. Rather see that than Hill traded. Wasn't enamored with his 3PT shot this year, but I think cementing himself as a 2 guard would make a huge difference there.

                          I just don't know how many real assets this team has in making moves that improve the team on the whole.

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                          • #58
                            Re: The window has closed

                            When one window closes, another one opens.

                            Let's hope the Pacers don't try to jump out of that one too.

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                            • #59
                              Re: The window has closed

                              Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                              I wouldn't go that far. We'll have our core guys...PG, Hill, West and Hibbert. everyone else is basically replaceable
                              Ya I got this weird feeling that Hill is replaceable .. Along with Hibbert and West...
                              #DrewCrew

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                              • #60
                                Re: The window has closed

                                Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
                                I hope you're right, but I just don't see how this team sniffs 55, let alone 50, let alone...

                                I mean I look at their roster, and this is what I see...

                                Paul George: Absolutely a part of the future, will continue to improve, he'll be fine, hell, better next year. So here's a plus.

                                George Hill: At best, he'll only ever be inconsistent (and more absent than not) unless his role changes.

                                Lance Stephenson: Probably not back next year, and if he is, total wildcard.

                                David West: On the decline. Not quite the leader we thought he was.

                                Roy Hibbert: May never recover from this funk. If he does, you still know he's a ticking time bomb as he counts down toward the next funk.

                                So that's your starting 5 this year. And when you look to the bench...

                                Luis Scola: Absolutely not a part of the answer. More bad than good this year. Very limited defense, and first 3-4 shots tell all on offense.

                                CJ Watson: I'll buy him as part of the answer. Good bench player to have.

                                Evan Turner: Could he improve if resigned? Yes. But extremely limited player at best. He's only signed if the team doesn't re-sign Lance, and even then, it's a downgrade. Still not sure that's enough to convince Pacers to re-sign him.

                                Chris Copeland: Unless coaching staff changes, he'll never be used anyway. Even if he is, probably more of a Band-Aid player than a foundation player, even as a "bench foundation" player.

                                And, I mean, I could talk Donald Sloan or Rasual Butler, but what's the point? Bynum is done. Solomon Hill showed nothing this year to indicate he is ready to play at this level.

                                Add in no reinforcements really coming from this draft, and well, I don't really get the picture of optimism next year unless Paul George starts playing some LeBron-level ball...which isn't a remotely fair expectation.
                                FO will not break the bank to keep Lance. It's 50:50 that this team will be using spare parts the next season or two until West, Hibber, and Scola can be replaced.

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