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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #31
    Re: The window has closed

    Originally posted by tora tora View Post
    This franchise will forever be cursed with bad luck.
    How can this curse be broken? We are on the verge of the biggest collapse in history. As a fan for 20 years strong now I have never been this dejected. This team was the Pacers team I always dreamed of, only to fall to the level of the brawl team minus a historic fight. This isn't just a locker room beef. This is teams figurng us out on top of that. This is karma. This is JOB ball destroying our franchise right in front of our eyes.

    Sure the Hawks can't be solely to blame. This has persisted since the league figured us out that night in Phoenix. Jack up threes and the Pacers will crumble. This is NBA2k ball by the Hawks, and against the Pacers it works. If they indeed do beat us I could see them getting swept next round.

    Our backs are against the wall. This is the time to save the franchise. The 8 seed Hawks have forced us to adjust. Start Copeland and West. It is the only way. Vogel you are coaching for your job. Hibbert can regain his stride next series if we make it there. Against these Hawks though it doesn't work. Unless you can feed him the ball everytime on the low block and have the wings crash the boards with success or a made shot it won't work. Deep down I'd love for us to reinstate our will on them and take back this series but my gut reaction at this point is to adjust. Bird should be at practice when they have it. Not to undermine Vogel, but maybe to support them and tell them he brought them all here to win a championship, and this is their last hoorah so to speak due to realities on the ground.

    Please tell me our franchise isn't doomed. This is a sad day for the franchise if so.

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    • #32
      Re: The window has closed

      Originally posted by lolwuttermelons View Post
      Bunch of debbie downers in here. Newsflash, we made the playoffs! That is the goal of every team, and only 16 teams can say they did it. We did. Mission accomplished. Anything else is just gravy.
      I really do appreciate the optimism and that you still see a silver lining in all of this.

      Making the Playoffs is great...getting the 1st seed is great.....but given this Team's progression over the last 3 seasons with this core of Players and Coach....anything short of a tough ECF Playoff exit would be considered a failure of a season.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • #33
        Re: The window has closed

        Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
        This team was the Pacers team I always dreamed of, only to fall to the level of the brawl team minus a historic fight.
        We cannot know that a historic fight (or something analogous to it) didn't happen in the locker room.
        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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        • #34
          Re: The window has closed

          Originally posted by lolwuttermelons View Post
          Bunch of debbie downers in here. Newsflash, we made the playoffs! That is the goal of every team, and only 16 teams can say they did it. We did. Mission accomplished. Anything else is just gravy.
          Only 16 teams? That's more than half the league. Only just making the playoffs would be considered a success for the team currently kicking our ***. The reason they changed the first round to a seven game series is to ensure the better team always wins. In this case the better team had a losing record in the regular season. The Pacers team currently playing doesn't even deserve to be in that top half of the league. I think the Knicks and Suns could even beat the Hawks. Newsflash! This is one of the biggest collapses ever in the history of pro sports. There is no reason to be anything other than down. Mission Failed.

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          • #35
            Re: The window has closed

            Originally posted by PR07 View Post
            This team has responded when they've absolutely had to. I still think there's a decent chance we get past Atlanta, but at this point, I don't see how anyone thinks we get past the next round against a better Wizards' team.
            Not Going down 30 in a home game to avoid going down 3-2 and playing an elimination game in an arena that youve won 3 games out of your last 16 or 17 would be responding. they didnt respond at all. no fight.

            everyone says bad things about lance, but hes our dog and the motor of our team. other than dwest, team would have no heart without lance..

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            • #36
              Re: The window has closed

              Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
              How can this curse be broken? We are on the verge of the biggest collapse in history. As a fan for 20 years strong now I have never been this dejected. This team was the Pacers team I always dreamed of, only to fall to the level of the brawl team minus a historic fight. This isn't just a locker room beef. This is teams figurng us out on top of that. This is karma. This is JOB ball destroying our franchise right in front of our eyes.

              Sure the Hawks can't be solely to blame. This has persisted since the league figured us out that night in Phoenix. Jack up threes and the Pacers will crumble. This is NBA2k ball by the Hawks, and against the Pacers it works. If they indeed do beat us I could see them getting swept next round.

              Our backs are against the wall. This is the time to save the franchise. The 8 seed Hawks have forced us to adjust. Start Copeland and West. It is the only way. Vogel you are coaching for your job. Hibbert can regain his stride next series if we make it there. Against these Hawks though it doesn't work. Unless you can feed him the ball everytime on the low block and have the wings crash the boards with success or a made shot it won't work. Deep down I'd love for us to reinstate our will on them and take back this series but my gut reaction at this point is to adjust. Bird should be at practice when they have it. Not to undermine Vogel, but maybe to support them and tell them he brought them all here to win a championship, and this is their last hoorah so to speak due to realities on the ground.

              Please tell me our franchise isn't doomed. This is a sad day for the franchise if so.
              I been saying the PHX sweep was a league wide eye opening to just how you hurt us, but that JOB ball line is amazingly true... bravo.

              Man I've said in joking that "I don't know why I've been such a Pacer fan these years, it's kind of like loving the Cubs." I was kidding, but it's kind of really getting there man.

              Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
              1 - 2, Tinsley's coming for you.
              3 - 4, You're not a team no more.
              5 - 6, He's gonna plead the 5th.
              7 - 8, He's gonna stay out late.



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              • #37
                Re: The window has closed

                Good thread Shade. There will be people in denial which is fine and expected. Also, this team has more than one locker room issue. We will see more than one guy moved.

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                • #38
                  Re: The window has closed

                  Lance seems to be the main issue. I really expect Lance to be sign and traded away. Hopefully for Reggie Jackson or Eric Bledsoe.

                  This team needs a pg. Maybe not a true point like Rondo, but a pg nonetheless.

                  Also, who the hell would want Hill or Hibbert? You don't sell low. Lance has really good value.
                  First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  • #39
                    Re: The window has closed

                    I could see some changes made in the offseason, maybe a coaching change the pacers will still be a 55 win team.

                    So no, the window hasn't closed. The season might be essentially over, but this is far from a total re-build

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                    • #40
                      Re: The window has closed

                      Lance is UFA this year. Do we still have the option to S&T? I know we don't have the wait and match an offer he signs.

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                      • #41
                        Re: The window has closed

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        I could see some changes made in the offseason, maybe a coaching change the pacers will still be a 55 win team.

                        So no, the window hasn't closed. The season might be essentially over, but this is far from a total re-build

                        Hope springs eternal it seems. A coaching change alone isn't going to fix this wreck. There will be players moved in order to get a team that can play together. More is going on here than players tuning out Vogel. This team is too weak mentally and emotionally to be able to play together. Changin is acomin, no doubt in my mind.

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                        • #42
                          Re: The window has closed

                          I understand the concern, but I'm stunned at the number of people who think this is harder than watching a team play hopelessly year after year.

                          With great expectations comes great opportunity for disappointment. And anyone who has played or cheered for teams in competitive sports know that only one team wins its last game. That means disappointment is normal, unless you're "that guy".

                          This collapse has made me angry more because of how it is perceived by the rest of the NBA than anything else. I was hoping for some national TV games, for a star on national commercials we could see wearing the Pacers logo. That's gone now - but if I didn't care about the team and what it does for the city I wouldn't care about that, either.

                          I'd rather have a team in a position to get to the top, even if it is precarious and fails spectacularly, than have one that doesn't ever get within sight of the foothills.

                          We've seen teams that looked like locks struggle for a few years before finding the true combination that works. Sometimes it's physical injury, sometimes it's mental, sometimes it's just bringing in that one piece or moving the piece you thought was integral for another one that works better.

                          You learn from your failures more than your successes. No team that didn't hire in its superstars has ever reached the top of the league without taking two steps forward and one step back.

                          This is far from the time to jump off the bus.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • #43
                            Re: The window has closed

                            The Pacers are a starting quality PG away from being a true contender, that's all this team needs.

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                            • #44
                              Re: The window has closed

                              Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                              Hope springs eternal it seems. A coaching change alone isn't going to fix this wreck. There will be players moved in order to get a team that can play together. More is going on here than players tuning out Vogel. This team is too weak mentally and emotionally to be able to play together. Changin is acomin, no doubt in my mind.
                              I think there will be some major player changes also

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                              • #45
                                Re: The window has closed

                                Relax, people. It's just basketball. Sucks, but don't jump off a cliff about it. Or make broad silly proclamations that likely will prove to be false. Move on, there's always next year. Literally. It's the only thing productive thing you can really do about it.
                                There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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