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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • Inca Street
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    Re: #DetroitInvasion

    Originally posted by Will Galen View Post

    You ruined some peoples evening and think it's fun and want to do it again?

    Look for Hill and George and Hibbert to quit having fan sections if you can't represent them with class!
    I believe the actual root cause for the home fans' unpleasant experience was the hometown product on the floor.

    G2/A55......keep up the good work!

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  • Will Galen
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    Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
    Except we WEREN'T hateful, we didn't boo Hooper per say (although if I were a lawyer working for the Colts, I would be looking into a copyright infringment lawsuit with that logo), we just cheered a little bit louder for Boomer and booed when he got gang-tackled.

    Heck, the few times we caught freebies that were thrown into the crowd, they were immediately surrendered to Piston fan kids. We had Pacero and Fireman Ken taking pictures with the kids. If anything, we HELPED those poor suffering Pistons fans have fun!
    That sounds great! Way better than what you posted before.

    As for me over reacting, you yourself said I quote, "We were monsters and didn't even care," and that appeared to be in response to it being said peoples evenings were ruined. I can only go by what you write.

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  • joeyd
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    Some quick thoughts:
    1) I believe it was the actual Boomer that came to the Palace. Me and the wifey sat down in the lower level for parts of the first half and when Boomer approached the tunnel to exit with his cronies, he recognized us, came over, hugged the wifey and high-fived us as well as some other Pacers fans in the area. And he did approach the team and gave high fives to several players as well.
    2) I thought the group behaved fairly well and for the most part, security was cool, especially the security folks I met while in the lower level, who went out of their way to be helpful. When I moved to the upper level with the group, there were a few chants that weren't my cup of tea (I don't like to shout anything derogatory about players or the opposing teams, so I abstained a couple times) but really, I don't think anything was too over-the-top, and the home-town fans were definitely not setting the bar high at all.
    3) I recorded the FSN broadcast and can cofirm that the Area55/G2 Zone made several appearances in the broadcast. IndyHoya (Joe M.) even got a shout out from Chris (via Brooke) as the person "that masterminded the trip idea about a month ago." Or something like that. So Joe, you are on the FSN radar! The G2 Zoners (e.g., ever the red-haired stepchildren in the closet!!!) did not get any such love for planning the Detroit Invasion, however, although PD logs will reveal that the G2 Zoners had been thinking about a road trip to either Memphis, Detroit or Chicago for some time. In fact, several of us are already planning a Memphis Invasion for next season, if the schedule remains true to form and we end up playing the Grizzlies in an early MLK Day game. So folks.....mark your calendars for barbeque, Graceland and Pacers basketball! Great idea, Joe, to include PDer's in the loop for the next road trip. Maybe we get 100 folks going next time.
    4) Not surprising about not being acknowledged by the buses. Probably had as much to do with the drivers and security folks as anything, but interestingly, we had our lower level seats right next to the visitors tunnel literally within high-five distance of the players, and most of the time when the team entered and left the arena, the players had tunnel vision and most did not acknowledge the fans. Although in all fairness, some folks sitting low did say they got some high fives at the end of the game and a couple of folks were successful in getting autographs prior to the game after the shootaround, including from David West.
    5) The Palace showed it's age but is still impressive from the outside and in the concourses. Many concessions were good and reasonably priced. So glad they didn't put the arena in downtown Detroit. Probably would not have gone there otherwise, as most of us probably would have been risking our lives just to make it to and from our cars.
    Last edited by joeyd; 02-25-2013, 02:03 PM.

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  • Hicks
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    Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
    Haha and you don't think that he took what was clearly a joking tone regarding "ruining" the Pistons' fan experience, to a level that "deliberately misinterpreted the spirit of the message IndyHoya was communicating?"
    Going just on what I saw Will quoting, I don't know that I would say that. Now that I'm paying attention and seeing it was from Hoya's earlier post, I can see that argument. Knowing Will the way I think I do, I don't think he would deliberately misinterpret it, but he might accidentally do that.

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  • Mackey_Rose
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    Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
    It was vague earlier (open for interpretation, at least), but later clarified. Then Mackey seemed to deliberately misinterpret the spirit of the message Will appeared to be communicating.
    Haha and you don't think that he took what was clearly a joking tone regarding "ruining" the Pistons' fan experience, to a level that "deliberately misinterpreted the spirit of the message IndyHoya was communicating?"

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  • RWB
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    I think part of the worry guys is the mention of plenty of adult beverages being tested. Lets just say most folks who have a good heart when tanked up just have an enhanced good heart. Those who are borderline obnoxious usually go full tilt with Bush or Sam Adams family assistance.

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  • Sandman21
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    Except we WEREN'T hateful, we didn't boo Hooper per say (although if I were a lawyer working for the Colts, I would be looking into a copyright infringment lawsuit with that logo), we just cheered a little bit louder for Boomer and booed when he got gang-tackled.

    Heck, the few times we caught freebies that were thrown into the crowd, they were immediately surrendered to Piston fan kids. We had Pacero and Fireman Ken taking pictures with the kids. If anything, we HELPED those poor suffering Pistons fans have fun!

    For goodness sakes, even the security guard who Seth mentioned walking through our section was having a good time, he started taking pictures with us, then went over to the fans who had started the Detroit basketball chants up there and (after explaining to them that we were not being disrespectful to Detroit, no sucks chants, whatever) led them in chanting "WE GOT BANNERS" at us.
    Last edited by Sandman21; 02-25-2013, 01:48 PM.

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  • Hicks
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    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    I don't see anything that suggests they were rude though for the distinction to even need to be made.
    It was vague earlier (open for interpretation, at least), but later clarified. Then Mackey seemed to deliberately misinterpret the spirit of the message Will appeared to be communicating.

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  • Trader Joe
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    I don't see anything that suggests they were rude though for the distinction to even need to be made.

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  • Hicks
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    Yeah, I mean does the distinction seriously need to be explained to anyone regarding having fun in general vs having fun specifically while ruining something for others? How old are we?

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  • RWB
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    Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
    Here, here.

    I'll be damned if anyone else is having any fun around here on Will Galen's watch.
    I believe Will is thinking cheer but don't be rude. I know I usually have a little less tolerance when we're invaded by Bulls fans in BLF. And frankly when Squad 6 came to town the first time I wasn't real happy but sucked up my pride because they were not hateful. Still didn't like it because when your team is already beat down you don't look at outsiders as a positive thing.

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  • Trader Joe
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    No more sports!

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  • Mackey_Rose
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    Originally posted by Will Galen View Post

    You ruined some peoples evening and think it's fun and want to do it again?

    Look for Hill and George and Hibbert to quit having fan sections if you can't represent them with class!
    Here, here.

    I'll be damned if anyone else is having any fun around here on Will Galen's watch.

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  • Sandman21
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    Wow. Holy over-reaction Batman!

    That was in jest. We even had the Piston fan kids sitting next to us converted over to the Blue and Gold by the time the night was over. Seriously. They were chanting with us.

    No harm, no foul.

    Plus, it was the Piston fans who were using profanity and middle fingers and chanting Pacers suck, not us. Our work was very very VERY PG-rated.

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  • Will Galen
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    Originally posted by IndyHoya View Post
    . . . ruined The Palace's Kids' Night; and generally had an appropriately negating effect on virtually everything that had to do with the Detroit Pistons in their own Palace of Auburn Hills.

    Anyway, we need to think about doing it again sometime. Who knows? Maybe when we go to the Playoffs?
    Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
    We were monsters and we didn't even care!


    You ruined some peoples evening and think it's fun and want to do it again?

    Look for Hill and George and Hibbert to quit having fan sections if you can't represent them with class!
    Last edited by Will Galen; 02-25-2013, 01:18 PM.

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