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(Update post 127) Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

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  • #91
    Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

    Originally posted by PR07 View Post
    I'll reserve judgment on that. He certainly wasn't a better college player than Hansbrough.
    White has better handles more post moves and better range than Tyler. ITs not hard to see how he is a more talented player than Hans but he may not reach his ceiling like Tyler has which is the concerning part.

    OF course White will be drafted around 7 spots after Tyler as a result of his mental issues.

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    • #92
      Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

      Originally posted by PR07 View Post
      I'll reserve judgment on that. He certainly wasn't a better college player than Hansbrough.
      Hansbrough was a better college player than just about everyone in the NBA, it means little.

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      • #93
        Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

        An interesting player is Andrew Nicholson. He has shooting touch, athleticism, an existent post game (Which sets him apart from the Troy Murphys of the league), and unlike most stretch guys he is a good rebounder and shotblocker. That is what turns most people off about shooting big men, and I think he could be the exception because he plays both sides of the floor.

        I mean, if this guy is a gem he could be our third big man who can come in and score, play hard, and be a missing piece. He is skilled unlike Tyler Hansbrough, and is partially known for his rebounding.

        He is way too damn thin to play four right now, but in two years he could absolutely become strong and develop more of a post up game. He looks like he doesn't ever lift weights, but that would benefit him greatly.



        I mean watching his post season play you can see what he is capable of, and there are things that he can improve on like setting an existent screen, but those are all things that can easily be improved over time.

        At the very least, if he works out, he would save us a ton of money by investing in him instead of a big who may or may not cost a pretty penny...

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        • #94
          Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          Also people saying Machado is a terrible defender is wrong. He played in a system where your defense was offense so he wasnt ask to defend. Much like our own Paul George at Fresno he really never defended much in college they played zone so he really never showed his stellar defense. I projected he would be a great defender and it looks like that may be true. He still struggles off ball (that zone gets you in bad habits)


          Machado and Marshall weren't ask to defend much in college the difference is Machado has the tool to defend and showed willingness last year too defend and Marshall doesnt IMO.
          We will get a better idea when he does group workouts with teams, all of that will be man and he will really have to show up.
          Why so SERIOUS

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          • #95
            Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

            Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
            An interesting player is Andrew Nicholson. He has shooting touch, athleticism, an existent post game (Which sets him apart from the Troy Murphys of the league), and unlike most stretch guys he is a good rebounder and shotblocker. That is what turns most people off about shooting big men, and I think he could be the exception because he plays both sides of the floor.

            I mean, if this guy is a gem he could be our third big man who can come in and score, play hard, and be a missing piece. He is skilled unlike Tyler Hansbrough, and is partially known for his rebounding.

            He is way too damn thin to play four right now, but in two years he could absolutely become strong and develop more of a post up game. He looks like he doesn't ever lift weights, but that would benefit him greatly.



            I mean watching his post season play you can see what he is capable of, and there are things that he can improve on like setting an existent screen, but those are all things that can easily be improved over time.

            At the very least, if he works out, he would save us a ton of money by investing in him instead of a big who may or may not cost a pretty penny...
            between him and Tyler wonder who would get more assists next season


            His passing and decision making was really bad in the games I watched. Proablly is the worst passer out of double teams I watched all season he turns the ball over quite a bit when doubled. He didn't play hard in the tape I watched (but being the only good player on his team and play 40mpg he gets a bit of a pass. but plenty of guys in that situation do play hard like Faried last year Damian Lillard this year)


            His offensive game was impressive but he has a few kinks that need fixed and some of them are really tough fixes. He also needs to get in a little better shape if he wants to hang in the NBA,

            His biggest weakness is poor foot speed especially laterally reminds me of Mcroberts in terms of lack of quickness.
            Last edited by pacer4ever; 06-04-2012, 01:38 PM.

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            • #96
              Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

              Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
              He is skilled unlike Tyler Hansbrough
              It's not that Tyler is not skilled. He just has a kinda limited skill set.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #97
                Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                Hansbrough was a better college player than just about everyone in the NBA, it means little.
                That's simply not true. It definitely means something. Someone can't just say, "he can play over Hansbrough". On what basis, he had inferior stats and an overall career? But oh, he can play over Hansborough? Really? I'll believe that when I see that on an NBA court. Maybe he can, I'm not saying he can't (haven't seen him play) but someone has no basis to say that like it's a given fact when they have no evidence in support of it.

                If you want to go off eye ball test, JR Smith's more talented than Danny Granger, it doesn't mean he'll have the better career either. It can work both ways.
                Last edited by PR07; 06-04-2012, 01:24 PM.

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                • #98
                  Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                  Here is my biggest concern with Nicholson. He has all of the tools to be good. He is solid in every area you could ask him to be, but he doesn't excel at an NBA level at any one skill. Now, do I think he can develop into a good player, yes absolutely. But he might just be "too mediocre" to ever really find a rotation spot. The kid is talented. He really is. Versatile. If he can translate his entire skill set to NBA caliber versatility, he will be a for sure rotation player. He has to try harder than everybody else or else he is fighting an uphill battle in every aspect of the game. He does get off the floor fairly quick, so shot blocking is something he could start with. He also needs to rebound more aggressively or else he will never get minutes. His defense is pretty good but the lack of great bigs in the A-10 didn't really give me a ton to base his defense on. He was solid in helpside for the same reasons. He carried that Bonnies team though. If he does well against some of the other bigs in these workouts, it would give me a lot more confidence in the guy. His value is too low, based solely on playing for St. Bonnaventure.
                  "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                  • #99
                    Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                    I'd love to get White. With Lance seemingly on the up and up, Pacers could in theory deal with one knucklehead. I did some real dumb stuff when I was young. Plus, the Pacers have a great foundation for turning players around. Just look at Lance.

                    White would be a great SF to have come off the bench.

                    Jeff Taylor is another nice option too. Hope they work him out too.
                    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                    • Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                      Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                      I'd love to get White. With Lance seemingly on the up and up, Pacers could in theory deal with one knucklehead. I did some real dumb stuff when I was young. Plus, the Pacers have a great foundation for turning players around. Just look at Lance.

                      White would be a great SF to have come off the bench.

                      Jeff Taylor is another nice option too. Hope they work him out too.
                      I look at White as a sf/pf. A good option to be a backup PF if Tyler is not brought back next year. The guy is strong enough to hang with a lot of pf's in the NBA IMO.

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                      • Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                        Just read the ESPN article form January on Royce White, I'm rooting for him, just not in a Pacers uniform.

                        There are alot of completely unrelated and unreasonable reasons to not like him if your a long-term Pacers fan, his name is White (James), Artest like mental issues, went to Iowa State (Tinsley). All that nonsense aside, why would you risk a guaranteed contract on him.

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                        • Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                          Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
                          Corrected: "He seems like an undersized PF, who can actually play! Do we really need one of those?" YES!
                          not really. Except for Roy, that's all the Pacers have. Undersized bigs. DWest can play. Lou and Tyler can play, just not as well. Is this guy going to be better than any or all of them? Right away? or maybe in a couple of years?

                          Pacers don't need another undersized big. They need full sized bigs. By playing undersized guys in the frontcourt, they are giving up their advantage in playing Paul and Danny and Hill.

                          Not saying if this guy is the answer or not, but drafting another undersized big does not fill a hole on the team's need list. Pacers need to get bigger bigs. Either through the draft or free agency. I understand at #26, you have to take what is left. I get that. But I want the Pacers to look for fullsized guys. Not undersized guys.

                          My feeling is, in general, you can make the playoffs with undersized guys. You win in the playoffs with full sized guys. Length matter in the NBA.

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                          • Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                            Originally posted by Ratking View Post

                            just make sure him and Lance dont go out unsupervised for the first few months.

                            LOL! Sound wisdom to me.

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                            • Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks



                              This guy could at least replace Tyler. Rebounding I like that he bodies up, but he can rise quickly and grab it in mid air.

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                              • Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                                Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                                not really. Except for Roy, that's all the Pacers have. Undersized bigs. DWest can play. Lou and Tyler can play, just not as well. Is this guy going to be better than any or all of them? Right away? or maybe in a couple of years?

                                Pacers don't need another undersized big. They need full sized bigs. By playing undersized guys in the frontcourt, they are giving up their advantage in playing Paul and Danny and Hill.

                                Not saying if this guy is the answer or not, but drafting another undersized big does not fill a hole on the team's need list. Pacers need to get bigger bigs. Either through the draft or free agency. I understand at #26, you have to take what is left. I get that. But I want the Pacers to look for fullsized guys. Not undersized guys.

                                My feeling is, in general, you can make the playoffs with undersized guys. You win in the playoffs with full sized guys. Length matter in the NBA.
                                Length matters but look at this team as it is currently. Djones is gone after this next year. David West is a big question mark after next year. Lou maybe gone and Tyer is nothing but a ? after next season.

                                Regardless of size the Pacers will need a sf replacement for Djones (Dannys backup) and a big who can score as a starter or as a backup.

                                White is a tough kid who can draw defenses away from Hibbert with his 3 point shot and he is big enough to drive by NBA PFs and finish. Also unlike Tyler he isn't a blackhole on offense AND can rebound against quality competition.

                                This is a guy who went 9-12 for 23 pnts against Kentucky and held his own on the boards with 9.

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