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(Update post 127) Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

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  • #76
    Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

    Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
    just a pet peeve. but i hope the pacers can draft a fullsized big instead of another undersized big. I don't have any problem with an undersized player or two, but except for roy, that's all the pacers have. i get that @26, you take what you get, but I still just hope Pacers get bigger.
    I agree with this but White can play SF. He can act as a Point Forward (a la Boris Diaw, Lamar Odom and Hedo Turkoglu) and thus I believe that he will easily transition to SF in the pro level.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • #77
      Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

      As I often do, I find myself agreeing with Nuntius on the Royce White issue. For a lot of people, the difference between 18 and 21 is minimal, but for a lot of others, it's huge. Generally, when a guy has a child born in those years, they'll be the ones who change the most. I obviously don't know the guy personally, but it seems that in the few years since his incidents, he's kept his nose clean, played hard, and earned himself a chance.

      The anxiety about flying is something he'll have to get over, but if he wants to be in the NBA, he will find a way. We have a team with great chemistry and maturity right now. I've seen that point made to back up both sides of this argument, which is really strange. I believe that the maturity the team gets from David West, George Hill, and even Danny Granger, mixed with the focused, youthful energy that is Roy Hibbert and Paul George, this is a good environment for a guy with a couple question marks. Not to mention the coaching staff and Clark Kellogg.

      If either of White or Fab Melo are available at our pick, take them and be happy. Have a good talk to them about the expectations, the culture, and the professionalism we must demand for them to be an Indiana Pacer. Then put them on the court and let's see what they've got.
      It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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      • #78
        Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

        By the way:

        http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...ith_No_20_Pick

        Nuggets Targeting Royce White With No. 20 Pick

        Denver is reportedly targeting Royce White with the twentieth pick in the upcoming NBA draft.

        White’s draft stock went up after scoring 23 points and grabbing nine rebounds in Iowa State's 87-71 loss against Kentucky in the NCAA South Regional.

        White’s size and versatility have drawn comparison to a young Jamal Mashburn.



        Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1wpbaHWYQ
        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
          That's funny they have way too many 3/4 guys anyways don't they? (chandler, gallo)

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            Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

            Nothing personal but this guy sounds too much like Ronnie Artest.


            http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ege-basketball


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            Royce White and the battle withinOriginally Published: January 26, 2012By Myron Medcalf | ESPN.com Recommend620Tweet213Comments270EmailPrintAMES, Iowa -- He doesn't shake hands. He swallows them.


            Basketballs become grapefruits in Royce White's foot-wide bear paws.

            But the pounding inside the Iowa State forward's broad chest -- the crippling rhythm of the 6-foot-8, 270-pound colossus' generalized anxiety disorder -- frightens him.

            Close to becoming a Kentucky Wildcat, Royce White suddenly becamse full of anxiety and fear.
            In 2010, the violent heartbeat that has symbolized the onset of his anxiety since he was a child derailed his plans to transfer to a powerhouse program. That year, John Calipari offered to rescue White -- who hadn't played organized basketball in more than a year -- from college basketball's purgatory after a suspension and eventual departure from Minnesota.

            Kentucky's head coach called the prep star from the Twin Cities one night and asked him to come to Lexington the next day to officially sign with the program. But White's fear of flying, coupled with his anxiety disorder, ultimately triggered a panic attack.

            His heart thumped as he thought about sitting on the airplane alone. He could barely breathe as fear gripped him. The episode, stemming from a condition that's severe enough to consistently interfere with the daily lives of people who have it, sapped his strength and left him in emotional ruin.

            He called his mother and told her to cancel the trip on his behalf. On that day, White's anxiety seemed stronger than any defender he'd ever faced on the basketball court.

            "I was on my way to Kentucky," White said. "Anxiety set in. It hurt me so bad because I have so much respect for Coach Calipari and Kentucky basketball. I almost came to tears because my anxiety had let me down in that situation."

            Iowa State's Sukup Basketball Complex sits about a block off U.S. Highway 30 in Ames. The multimillion-dollar building's brick facade and glistening glass belie the cornfields scattered around it. It's a vivid contrast to the surrounding area's rural roots.

            White, who grew up in Minneapolis and St. Paul, doesn't seem to fit either.

            Not in the snug sweatsuit that tries to contain his imposing physique as he walks around his team's practice facility. Not in the middle of Iowa. Not in Cyclones colors.

            White has burst onto the national college basketball scene this season, nearly three years after he had played his last official basketball contest -- Minnesota's 2009 Class 4A high school title game.

            The state's Mr. Basketball, who was one of 20 players picked to play in the 2009 Jordan Brand Classic, appeased locals when he chose to play for the Gophers. But he drew their ire when he left school less than a year later, before he'd ever played a game. A series of high-profile legal issues preceded his departure.

            The layoff -- he had to sit out last season due to NCAA transfer rules -- appears trivial now considering the immediate impact he's had on the Big 12. According to ESPN Stats & Info, he's the only player in a Big Six conference who's leading or sharing the lead for a team in scoring (13.4 ppg), rebounding (9.6 rpg), blocks (1.2 bpg), steals (1.2 spg) and assists (4.5 apg).

            Two weeks ago, White scored 18 points and grabbed 17 rebounds against Thomas Robinson and Kansas. He recorded a triple-double (10 points, 10 assists, 18 rebounds) at Texas A&M earlier this month.

            Plus, he's versatile enough to play power forward and point guard in coach Fred Hoiberg's offense.

            "That's the toughest matchup for anybody in this league, I'm sure," said Texas A&M coach Billy Kennedy.

            Like most athletes, White's on-court progression has demanded persistence and hard work.

            Unlike most athletes, White's anxiety disorder has been a constant challenge, one he's learned to manage with professional help and medication.

            "I'm never at 100 percent because my anxiety is going to take me down 25 percent before the game starts," he said. "Before the game, I'm still feeling sick to my stomach because I want us to win so bad that my adrenaline is getting going before the game even starts. It's hard to do it in front of 20,000 people. But I've trained my mind to deal with it."

            He doesn't always escape the tension.

            He wakes up three to four times every night. Sometimes, he spends an hour in Hoiberg's office discussing a dilemma. He makes middle-of-the-night phone calls to his mother just to clear his head.

            If only he could sever the roots of generalized anxiety disorder, which the U.S. National Library of Medicine defines as "a pattern of frequent, constant worry and anxiety over many different activities and events."

            The roots of White's anxiety disorder can be traced all the way back to his childhood.
            The tone in White's voice changes, as he talks about the incidents that started his scuffles with anxiety.

            After a youth basketball practice, 10-year-old White lined up for wind sprints. His best friend, LaDream Yarbrough, stood near him. Both boys raced to the other side of the floor, but only one of them made it. Yarbrough had collapsed during the run.

            Perhaps it was his friend's asthma, White said he thought at the time.

            But Yarbrough wasn't moving.

            "His dad runs over and grabs him. He's drooling from the mouth and [his dad is] trying to keep him awake," White recalled.

            White rode in the ambulance while paramedics rushed him to the hospital. He thought he'd just watched his best friend die.

            But Yarbrough survived after undergoing life-saving heart surgery to correct a cardiac abnormality. Following his friend's health scare, however, White began to worry that he might have the same condition. That's when his anxiety escalated, he said.

            "What we hear from a lot of anxious patients is that they often tell very compelling stories about when their anxiety starts," said Dr. Daniel Pine, a psychiatrist who researches mood and anxiety disorders of children and adolescents at the National Institute of Mental Health in Bethesda, Md.

            To this day, White fears post-practice runs because of what he saw in fourth grade. Every time his heart rate rises in conditioning drills -- even though he's been cleared medically by multiple doctors -- he has to tell himself that he's OK.

            The same way his mother did when an unpredictable ex-boyfriend threatened her and her young son.

            White was 7 then. And the relationship didn't last long, but White said it was extremely stressful and worrisome.

            The boy and his mom lived in fear.

            Perhaps the man would wait outside their apartment and harm them, they often worried. Or he might meet White outside his elementary school. He'd violated the restraining order multiple times in the past. What would keep him away now?

            "I think we have to think about the fear Royce must have had, not just what he might do to me, but where he might end up because of that," said White's mother, Rebecca White.

            White identified those events as precursors to the anxiety struggles he still encounters.

            Before he was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder as a senior in high school, White would search for ways to cope.

            Sometimes he'd call his mother and ask her to pick him up from a friend's house early. He didn't want to go home. He just wanted to drive along the Mississippi River.

            He'd also seek his grandfather for reassurance when his worry would reach extreme levels.

            "I remember a couple situations where Royce was concerned. 'Am I going to live, Grandpa?' A lot of fear," said White's grandfather, Frank White.

            A team at Hopkins High School in Minnetonka, Minn. -- his high school coach, an administrator and his doctor -- helped him discover his anxiety disorder in 2008. He credits that group with giving him the initial tools to fight it.


            Instead of burying it deep, Royce White eventually decided to tackle his mental health head-on.
            White transferred to Hopkins that year after an academic issue led to his dismissal from DeLaSalle High School in Minneapolis.

            His high school coach, Ken Novak, said he recognized White's emotional difficulties early. With the help of medical professionals, Novak steered White toward people who could help him.

            "Royce is a good person that's fought against that anxiety," Novak said. "He worked with some really good people at the school."

            White said he's talking about his anxiety publicly because he wants to help. He said he believes other athletes probably encounter similar struggles but refuse to get treatment.

            White, however, is an example of someone who's overcoming those hurdles.

            He's learning to harness his anxiety and put his energy toward positive pursuits.

            Sometimes, he wakes up in the middle of the night and thinks about the businesses he wants to create in the future instead of a problem that's bothering him. He talks about starting nonprofits that will benefit urban areas, and about following his passion for music after college.

            Left untreated, his anxiety would have robbed him of the ability to focus on his goals, he said.

            "For that reason, my anxiety has led me to a place where it's helping me because I understand it," he said. "I want to speak out now, because not only do I understand my own anxiety, I understand that anybody who's had an anxiety disorder, diagnosed or not diagnosed, how it can affect their life."

            Pine said high-profile athletes can help others deal with their psychological and mental disorders by acknowledging their personal struggles.

            "Whenever anybody in a public position comes forward and says they have any mental disorder, I always marvel at it," Pine said. "I think it's a really wonderful thing."

            White, however, said he's not sure everyone will believe that his efforts are genuine, because the Internet never forgets.

            White thinks his past could erase a potential NBA future. No matter how many impressive stat lines he produces at Iowa State -- no matter how many double-doubles he piles up -- many will reflect only on his tumultuous time under Tubby Smith, he worries.

            There's no denying it: White arrived at Iowa State last year with red flags.

            During his freshman season at Minnesota, he pled guilty to theft and disorderly conduct after he was accused of shoplifting and pushing a security guard at the Mall of America in 2009. Weeks later, university officials extended a previous suspension when he was linked to a case that involved the theft of a laptop computer. White says he never participated in the latter incident.

            That December, he made national headlines when he released a YouTube video announcing his decision to "retire" from college basketball. He officially withdrew from school the following February.

            Once his basketball jones returned, however, he considered a handful of schools. And they all scrutinized him.

            Hoiberg said he talked to multiple people before he offered White an opportunity to compete at the Division I level again. He said his research showed that White was a bright young man who had made a few, albeit serious, mistakes.

            White has been embraced in Ames, which has become a land of second chances for a number of players since Fred Hoiberg returned.
            Hoiberg's gamble has paid off. He has the Big 12's top newcomer and an athlete who hasn't brought any negative attention to himself or the program.

            A few weeks ago, some elderly Cyclones fans told Hoiberg about a pleasant encounter they'd had with White at a restaurant in Ames.

            Hoiberg said White's character, not just his athletic ability, deserves praise based on what he's seen thus far.

            "He's made a very positive impact in this community," Hoiberg said.

            As White prepared to leave Iowa State's basketball practice facility and enjoy a rare off day a few weeks ago, he veered from one conversation to another. One minute, he talked about a possible career in politics. The next, he expressed his love for music.

            His anxious mind shifts like that sometimes.

            Brief thoughts become discussions as his anxiety takes over and refuses to let him abandon a potentially intriguing exchange.

            But then, he stopped talking.

            White was in control. He wants others like him to possess the same power.

            "So many people will go undiagnosed for their whole life and not understand it," White said. "And they will suffer. It's suffering."
            Last edited by RWB; 06-04-2012, 09:55 AM.
            You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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            • #81
              Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

              Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post

              I'm still not seeing the big deal with an 18-year-old shoplifting and cheating on an exam. Neither were serious violations of any sort,


              You don't see character issues? You just seem to gloss over these issues as just an everyday no big deal. It speaks to me that b/c White has potential to be a NBA BB player lets just look the other way as it's nothing. Obviously, we have a different set of views and values.

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              • #82
                Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                The article RWB posted just made me a fan of White.

                Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                That's funny they have way too many 3/4 guys anyways don't they? (chandler, gallo)
                True. Denver has tons of forwards and some Centers that are not yet starting quality. I'd like it if they were to give us Koufos or Mozgov for backups though
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                • #83
                  Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                  Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                  He seems like another undersized PF, do we really need another one of those?
                  Corrected: "He seems like an undersized PF, who can actually play! Do we really need one of those?" YES!
                  Last edited by NapTonius Monk; 06-04-2012, 10:44 AM.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                    I really like the collective group of talent that was brought in. Machado I really like. Tyshawn Taylor, I also really like, but for different reasons. Machado is a guy that could develop slower, but reward you with his skill after a year or two of grooming. Excellent passer and very capable of scoring by getting into the lane and also from deep. I see Taylor as a bit of a Rondo prospect. The talent and ability is sky high, but he doesn't shoot well and looks to score for himself first. With good coaching, he could be a great pick that late.

                    Nicholson is a nice fron court prospect. I doubt his toughness a little, but in terms of skill set, he is pretty versatile. Solid offensively with a few post moves, but would need to improve his overall arsenal. Good rebounder, but I would have liked to see more of a mean streak from him. Green and White I see pretty much the same. Green is more mature, but White more athletic. Take your pick. Both are second unit players for whoever takes them. They could be starters at some point, but it wouldn't be until later in their careers if they make it that far, IMO. The one player no one has talked about is Mike Scott. I actually think he is the best of the three combo forwards to transition to the NBA game. He is more athletic than Green and probably White but in a similar mold in terms of strength, though White is the strongest of the three IMO. He is a fairly smart player and rebounds the ball well. He is a heady defender and a good shooter, but does not have range out to three. I think he is probably the best bet of the three combo forwards when considering White's off-court stuff. Green is more of a SF than Scott or White and definitely has the best basketball sense, IMO. He is just older with less upside and less athleticism than the other two.
                    "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                    • #85
                      Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                      Originally posted by RWB View Post
                      Nothing personal but this guy sounds too much like Ronnie Artest.


                      http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ege-basketball

                      Great article. Didn't get the Artest vibe at all from reading it though. I see Roy Hibbert, with his apparant confidence issues, being a great role model and figure of support for White. Vogel will be the perfect coach for him as well. I really hope the other NBA GMs are like some of the PD members and read that article with the same narrow-minded perspective about anxiety disorder, so that this slightly chipped ruby falls into our laps. In the right environment, the anxiety does not translate to bad behavior. When he arrived at Minnesota as an anxious freshman, its very realistic that he was influenced by a few bad eggs. Surrounded by the maturity and guidance of our current roster, I see no issue....maybe just make sure him and Lance dont go out unsupervised for the first few months.
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                      • #86
                        Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                        The thing is his bad habits have improved since freshman year. The dude was suppose to be a stud in college he was a top recruit but the holes his first few years plagued him. Watch tape from Tyshawn last year and his freshman year and they dont even look like the same player.
                        Yeah he has improved, but he still does a lot of bone head stuff, like committing silly fouls, and twice in the tourney this year when his team had the games wrapped up he gave the opponents a final chance to tie or win the game but not using correct clock management.

                        I still think he has a lot of room to grow with decision making and consistency, but if he can ever get that stuff take care of he will be a top pg.
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • #87
                          Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                          Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
                          Corrected: "He seems like an undersized PF, who can actually play! Do we really need one of those?" YES!

                          I'll reserve judgment on that. He certainly wasn't a better college player than Hansbrough.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                            Also with Royce White, key things I feel:

                            - he made mistakes, they helped speak about his character and affected it negatively
                            - seems like a lot of the stuff he did were silly things
                            - he is probably not close to the only athlete that has done this stuff but the bad thing is he keeps getting caught
                            - he is a heck of a basketball player
                            - hopefully the the birth of a child will give him more focus, like others have said I have seen this happen before.
                            - hopefully whatever team he gets put on they really support him in all areas
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • #89
                              Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                              Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                              I'll reserve judgment on that. He certainly wasn't a better college player than Hansbrough.
                              True but they have different skill sets.
                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
                              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Pacers to host a series of workouts with NBA Draft Prospects in the coming weeks

                                Also people saying Machado is a terrible defender is wrong. He played in a system where your defense was offense so he wasnt ask to defend. Much like our own Paul George at Fresno he really never defended much in college they played zone so he really never showed his stellar defense. I projected he would be a great defender and it looks like that may be true. He still struggles off ball (that zone gets you in bad habits)


                                Machado and Marshall weren't ask to defend much in college the difference is Machado has the tool to defend and showed willingness last year too defend and Marshall doesnt IMO.

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