Pacers/Memphis postgame thread

[skyfire]

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Memphis did a good job of putting Roy in spots where he less efficient and letting gasol cover him 1on1. When he did get a good position they double teamed quickly. Smart coaching.

didn't see all of the game but what I did see there was defensive breakdowns all over the place. Not going to beat many good teams on the road defending like that.

[immortality]

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This game really showed us that we really need a third scorer to put up double digits at least in the starters, whether it be DC, Hibbert, or George. We need one of them to step up, or our "balanced attack" kind of fails, especially when we have defensive lapses like these.

Our bench kept us in the game very well tonight, both Jones and Hans, even price hitting a couple key shots, but we need another starter to step up.

[Ace E.Anderson]

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This may sound silly, but it's just a thought. Do we think about swapping Hansbrough and West as far as lineups are concerned? This would give the 2nd unit a primary scorer, while allowing Tyler to do what he does best and that's be Mr. Energy. I remember last year how well he played off the pick and pop, while also playing off of Granger and Hibbert.

Idk just a thought.

This team is really lacking in the energy/fire department. Especially at the start of games!! With our somewhat lack of talent, the aggression and energy that we play with is extremely important. Idk if there is a trade to be had, or if there is a lineup change that needs to take place, but we haven't had the same energy level since the Mavs game. I know a lot of people want to keep the team "chemistry" together, but we are just too incohesive for long stretches. Idk what we need, but it's becoming more and more apperant that if we want to capitalize on our fast start SOMETHING needs to happen/change.

[CableKC]

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We have depth in the sense that when healthy, we have 7 guys who can put up points for us. But as an overall unit, our bench is not very good...

When healthy...we have a very good Starting 7 Man unit that can compete against any other 7 man unit. The problem is that in a shortened season...we need a solid 9 man rotation to compete against the Super Teams.

I'd even add Inferno and Foster as very solid 10th and 11th Men that are the perfect roleplayers ( the perimeter defender and Rebounding Frontcourt Defender ) in our rotation....but we need a solid 8th and 9th Players ( another quality WingMan and Frontcourt Player ) to get us to that next level.

I'd like for Lance, Inferno, AJ and Amundson/Foster to be those 8th and 9th Rotational Men to get us there...but they aren't able to contribute on a high enough level to make up for those games when the Starting Lineup and GH/Hansbrough isn't "firing on all cylinders"...which appears to be more and more as of late .

Without any changes....we are a Team that can beat mediocre and slightly above average Teams on a regular basis.....but not Teams that are underrated or above average.

[Hicks]

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Turnovers, bad defense, missed free throws. Just clean those up, and I'll live with the rest. Please.

[Hoop]

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Disappointing

[CJ Jones]

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I'm just glad Jeff Foster's back... 6 and 7 in 13 minutes.

[Heisenberg]

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Dahntay played a good solid game tonight. 95% of my posts about him are negative, so I just need to say that for karma's sake.

[Psyren]

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Say what you want, but we REALLY need another scorer.

When our offense is 'Good', its still not that great.

And when its bad? Its really bad. Everything just gets so so so stagnant

[Bball]

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Foster played in his 6th game this year having missed 20 games. I don't want to hear he's here only for the playoffs. At 3 mil a year, he better be playing more than 20% of the reg season games. He's not helping win games now nor is there any guarantee he'll be available for the playoffs. He has to contribute more to help this bench and the team.

I like Jeff Foster as a player when used properly... BUT... he needs to be available to play for us to really talk about frontline depth. Of course with Penderwhatshisname not playing at all it's hard to solely focus on Jeff as a hurting our depth and taking a roster spot yet not able to play (much).

[Peck]

Stupid computer bit the dust so no odd thoughts tonight or tomorrow. I'm on an iPad so there is no way i am going to type all of that out on this. As to tonight's game let's just say we really haven't played a good game since Dallas. Teams have adjusted to us and now you see them not letting Roy get in position and they are pulling him away from the rim on the defensive end. It's really going to be up to frank and company to adjust to the adjustments.

Nobody played great tonight and the most troubling thing to me is we just look to be run down and start the games with zero energy. We need hill back desperately and frankly we probably need the all star break to get here.

Man we need to take out Denver. But once again they are yet another in the long line of teams we have to play after a loss, I think they are on a 3 or 4 game losing streak.

There is no need to panic, but the team has got to get going soon or there will be reason to be concerned.

[Eleazar]

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As far as depth go we do have it, but it is the kind of depth where, with exception of Roy, you can insert them into the game with 3 or 4 starters and hardly miss a beat. As a unit though it is severely lacking on the offensives side of the court, especially without Hill.

Hansbrough just isn't consistent yet.
Jones can score, but shouldn't be relied on.
Price is at his best when there are at least 2 obviously better options on the court with him, which we don't have right now.
Foster is well Foster.
Stephenson is great in transition, but otherwise he figuratively stands in the corner. If there was one guy who has the skill set to step up and take on Hill's scoring it would be Lance, but he hasn't even tried.

Put any of them in with the starters, and we wouldn't see much drop off. In some ways we might see improvement to certain aspects, but as a unit Price, Stephenson, Jones, Hansbrough, and Foster just doesn't work very well. The two best scorers of the group are of the blackhole type.

[Sookie]

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As far as depth go we do have it, but it is the kind of depth where, with exception of Roy, you can insert them into the game with 3 or 4 starters and hardly miss a beat. As a unit though it is severely lacking on the offensives side of the court, especially without Hill.

Hansbrough just isn't consistent yet.
Jones can score, but shouldn't be relied on.
Price is at his best when there are at least 2 obviously better options on the court with him, which we don't have right now.
Foster is well Foster.
Stephenson is great in transition, but otherwise he figuratively stands in the corner. If there was one guy who has the skill set to step up and take on Hill's scoring it would be Lance, but he hasn't even tried.

Put any of them in with the starters, and we wouldn't see much drop off. In some ways we might see improvement to certain aspects, but as a unit Price, Stephenson, Jones, Hansbrough, and Foster just doesn't work very well. The two best scorers of the group are of the blackhole type.

Maybe Vogel should try and stop playing them as a group, but rather stagger their time with the starters. (like he does a bit with Lance)

[Dr. Hibbert]

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Sure, he's not been great on D this game and the past game and like you mention not the only one, but people are awfully quick to forget pretty much the rest of the season when it comes to Danny on defense this year. We must really be looking at a different Danny Granger for the rest of the season...

I really feel that I've seen him play more lazy defense than good defense this year, and he's capable of great defense.

I also just don't think Granger is a smart player. I think he's a good player. I think he's a clutch player. But I don't think he's a smart player, and I don't think he's a full-effort-every-night player either.

[TMJ31]

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Disappointing loss for sure.

But as has been pointed out already, if we hit our FT's at our regular clip, we win this game. Despite the poor defense, turnovers and all.

Obviously, had we hit our FT's and turned up the effort on 'D' even slightly, this would have been a fairly easy W. But we didn't. And while that is frustrating, it is no reason to trade half the team or start believing we are lottery bound.

We got Denver tomorrow. Let's play some smart, defensive minded basketball and let the flow of the game come to us, and we will be just fine.

Go Pacers!