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  • #16
    Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

    This article is a few days old, and I had to go back and find it, but I think it fits here. It's food for thought on this Bulls team.
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    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/1...g-for-identity

    Loss to Bulls leaves Celtics searching for identity

    By Ken Berger
    CBSSports.com Senior Writer
    April 8, 2011

    CHICAGO -- Somehow, the play that had the least to do with how the Bulls virtually eliminated the Celtics from contention for the No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference on Thursday night sent Boston on a journey down what Rajon Rondo aptly described as the downhill slope of a roller coaster.

    Sometimes, it's like that. An isolated moment turns a basketball game on its head, even if it was the least of the losing team's problems.

    With about 9½ minutes left, Derrick Rose beat Rondo to a loose ball, and missed a spot-up 3-pointer from 27 feet. Rondo, who had leaked out, caught an outlet pass and missed a layup. He got the ball back and had his shot blocked by Luol Deng. A demoralizing sequence, seeing as a basket there would've given the Celtics a one-point lead.

    They never got any closer, never matched the Bulls' aggression and cohesion for more than a couple of possessions at a time. By the end of the quarter, the Bulls' one-point lead had grown to 11. In the end, with well-deserved MVP chants filling the United Center for Rose, Chicago beat Boston 97-81 to move within a game of clinching the No. 1 seed and homecourt advantage throughout the Eastern Conference playoffs.

    "We've got to get some more fight in us," Kevin Garnett said.

    "We need to look in the mirror and find out who we are," added Jeff Green.

    What Celtics coach Doc Rivers sees in the mirror at the moment scares him. And it should. During their four-year run of relentless success, the Celtics have always been the team with no doubts about who and what they were. Until now. The Chicago team the Celtics ran into -- and got run over by -- Thursday night is the only team among the title contenders in the East with a firm grasp of its identity.

    "They're playing harder than everybody else, with talent," Rivers said, before offering a nod to his former assistant, Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau. "I've had some teams, like the team in Orlando that played harder than everybody. But we didn't have Derrick Rose. They're playing harder than everybody, with talent. And I think that comes from Thibs, and I think that comes from Derrick Rose. I think it's those two guys that are driving their team."
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    If you want to read the full article go to the link, However, the above contains what I thought was the food for thought.

    They had just ripped Boston in an important game. According to the article the Bulls play with aggression and cohesion, and they play harder than anyone else. Plus they will have the best player in the Pacers/Bulls series in Rose.
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    Originally posted by 15th parallel View Post
    I don't know if it can be done, but the most effective way is to limit others and let the series be "Derrick Rose vs the Indiana Pacers." Our victory against them was because of this, and if everybody can contribute plus stop other Bulls from helping Rose offensively, that will be the best chance to eliminate them.

    I think the most effective ways to limit Rose are:
    - Have DC tire Rose off offensively. Rose, although big for a PG, is not that good in defense. If DC can use his quickness and efficiency from midrange, it will certainly tire off Rose guarding him, or may even have foul problems along the way.

    - Good perimeter defense against him using physicality. DJones can be the one. Rush and George can also help using their length. It can also tire out Rose if a physical defense is pressuring him on the perimeter.
    I don’t think you took it far enough if we make it, "Derrick Rose vs the Indiana Pacers."
    Our victory against Chicago was because Rose didn't take over soon enough. As it was he needed a pair of controversial decisions from the referees to get it into overtime, and we didn't secure the win until he fouled out. The point being if he takes over earlier, Rose is going to win. And remember he said he “couldn’t wait to play us again.” So obviously he’s looking to take over sooner.

    So what we need to do is foul him out sooner.

    I advocate full court pressure on Rose all the time. Guard everyone but him, on the throw in so he has to take the ball and then pressure him full court. Then on offence give the ball to whoever Rose is guarding, and make him play defense every play. I know playing that way would be a gimmick, but I think we need one against Chicago and Rose.

    Plus we have to play just as hard and match Chicago’s aggressiveness. As is, I don’t think we can match their cohesiveness, so it paramount we take away what makes them so cohesive, Rose. If we don’t, Chicago will run over us. We might win one game after they get a three game lead.

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    • #17
      Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

      Our win against the Bulls also coincided with Boozer being out. And, IIRC, Noah had a poor game and/or was in foul trouble. Continuing with xIndyfan's line of thinking above, not only doesn't Boozer have to particularly struggle to defend our options at 4, I think both TH and JMac will likely struggle to defend his combo of height and bulk. If I'm the Bulls, I'm looking to to get Boozer off offensively early and often in the series.

      Tyler and Josh will really have to play to their strengths and excel in order for us to have reasonable leverage in the matchup at the 4.

      Our multitude of wings, but particularly Danny, will certainly have the opportunity to make a statement as to how good they are against Deng in a meaningful situation. Actually, what's impressed me most about Deng's improvement is his defense. I know the 3-pt and overall offensive consistency were imperative for him to get to the level they needed. But his D gave us fits even in our win at home. Another "long" player to contend with.
      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

      -Emiliano Zapata

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      • #18
        Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

        In 98 the Bulls used Pippen to take away Mark Jackson. Can Paul George offer a similar hope? Rose's strengths and Jacksons' strengths are very different though.

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        • #19
          Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

          I'm not sure why everyone thinks Boozer is going to be the difference maker. In the ONE matchup between Hansbrough and Boozer, Hansbrough was the better player and Boozer have 5 fouls. In the games when Boozer did play, we NEVER threw aTRUE J-Mac/Hansbrough rotation at him, and we was still relying heavily on James freaking Posey at the PF spot. Also, outside of Boozer and Noah, Chicago has no real depth at the PF/C spots. Our second unit frontcourt is hands down better than Chicago's.

          Against the Pacers that ENDED the season, Chicago's starting 5 is going to have play big minutes and remarkable games every time to beat us. Now that I'm looking over everything...on paper, Pacers in 7 games. Our bench depth will be too much for Chicago over a long series. Chicago's only true chance at beating us is to take the first two games with authority which will impact mental confidence of our team. Otherwise, if Indiana establish any real confidence against Chicago, they will NOT beat us.

          I'm calling it right now.


          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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          • #20
            Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

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            • #21
              Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

              i just have a gut feeling that DG33 is gonna light up. he has been waiting for this moment for a long time

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              • #22
                Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

                Here's a simplistic strategy: leverage the abilities of the goon squad.

                Assume that our starters (and theirs) will average 32 minutes, or 2/3 of the game. If we can stay within 10%, point-wise--about 6 or 7 points--then our bench needs to outscore theirs by at least 20%. If the starters are left in for 36 minutes (3/4 of the game) and lags 10% behind, then our bench will have to outscore theirs by 30%, i.e., make up those 6 or 7 points in 12 minutes.


                "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

                  Originally posted by JB24 View Post
                  And?

                  Indiana Pacer/Chicago Bulls Regular Season Series

                  PPG: 90.75
                  FG%: 38%
                  3PT%: 31.0%
                  REB/GM: 45.75

                  Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4
                  73 Points 86 Points 89 Points 115 Points
                  35 FG% 32 FG% 40.7 FG% 43 FG%
                  15 3PT% 38 3PT% 33.3 3PT% 38 3PT%
                  41 Rebs 53 Rebs 39 Rebs 50 Rebs

                  Notice how we progressively played better with each Chicago game....

                  Food for thought...we averaged more FT attempts during the series than Chicago.
                  Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 04-10-2011, 11:54 AM.


                  Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

                    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                    OK, fair enough, but what is the game plan. How do we control Rose and more importantly how do we find a way to constantly score against the Bulls great defense. If we dont do either of those to a certain degree, we aren't winning
                    That was just me living in my perfect world where everything is possible.

                    I know a lot of people take this team very seriously, but a little imagination and belief makes for a better experience while watching the game, imo.

                    If you ask me about this series realistically, I would tell you the goal is to win 1 game. Anything more than that is awesome.

                    As for the gameplan, I think you have to beat them at their own game. The Pacers will have to go out and match them in physical toughness. This includes dominating the boards at both sides, stopping easy points in the paint, interrupting the passing lanes, etc.

                    Many people have been talking about how to slow down or contain D Rose, but I don't think it can be done. The best thing you can do with him is to try and make him beat you, and not allow him to get everyone else involved.

                    We have been in playoff mode ever since the Bucks game, and hopefully this works out in our advantage.

                    This is basketball, anything is possible. Lets just enjoy the ride, and appreciate what the guys have done to renew Indiana Pacers basketball this year.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

                      Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                      I'm not sure why everyone thinks Boozer is going to be the difference maker. In the ONE matchup between Hansbrough and Boozer, Hansbrough was the better player and Boozer have 5 fouls. In the games when Boozer did play, we NEVER threw aTRUE J-Mac/Hansbrough rotation at him, and we was still relying heavily on James freaking Posey at the PF spot. Also, outside of Boozer and Noah, Chicago has no real depth at the PF/C spots. Our second unit frontcourt is hands down better than Chicago's.

                      Against the Pacers that ENDED the season, Chicago's starting 5 is going to have play big minutes and remarkable games every time to beat us. Now that I'm looking over everything...on paper, Pacers in 7 games. Our bench depth will be too much for Chicago over a long series. Chicago's only true chance at beating us is to take the first two games with authority which will impact mental confidence of our team. Otherwise, if Indiana establish any real confidence against Chicago, they will NOT beat us.

                      I'm calling it right now.
                      Everyone thinks Boozer will be the difference maker? Everyone? That doesn't make sense in as much as a lot of us have already posted in this thread think Rose will be the difference.

                      And as for are second unit being better than Chicago's that really doesn't matter much. In the playoffs the first unit always plays a lot more minutes. I think you're counting chicken's in your analyse that will never hatch. I'm very agreeable to your being right though! Very agreeable!

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

                        We need to play like the 06-07 Warriors, like we have nothing to lose. There's literally no pressure on us. This is nearly ideal to have the 8th seed, "taste" the playoffs and "taste" the intensity. Then some of these guys can see how high they need to raise their game for the future. I certainly think the fact that Danny got to START in the playoffs during his rookie year in the playoffs did a lot for his career.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

                          Bulls in 5. The Bulls are a great example of "the whole is better than the sum of the parts" team.

                          However, there's a little 08 Celtics in Chicago, and there's a little 08 Hawks in the Pacers. So this series could be pretty competitive.

                          I see no way the Pacers can win, though, barring a Derrick Rose injury that keeps him out for the series.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

                            I didn't see any of the 4 reg season games. So, the following
                            are just interesting stats that jumped off the page while
                            perusing the box scores.

                            In those games, Hibbert scored 6, 2, 2 and 15 pts. The latter was
                            the only game the Pacers won.

                            Boozer had 18 rbs in the 1st game, Thomas had 18 in the 2nd game
                            and Gibson had 16 in the last game.

                            The Pacers collective Ast/TO ratio vs the Bulls #1 Def was 1.36 which
                            is higher than their ratio of 1.28 against the league for the entire
                            season.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

                              Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                              boozer has trouble defending length. pacers are short of those at the 4. tyler is too short, josh is too weak. jeff can defend boozer, but cannot score at all. one of the things that will come out of this series is the pacer's need for a PF.
                              Jeff does not need to score, just like Rodman did not need to score when the Pistons won. Jeff only needs to get his put-backs. The system breaks down only if 1) Roy is not scoring while in, or is in foul trouble or 2) the other players representing the typical first four offensive options are not getting the job done.

                              If Jeff/Roy/Jones (maybe we should dress him) can do a decent job on Boozer or at least play a physical game against him (well, that would be predominantly Jeff) then the rest of the team can do it's thing and we have a puncher's chance.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pacers/Bulls Playoff Series news/thoughts thread

                                Pacers have to devise a way to occupy the Chicago bigs and get them into foul trouble to keep them from being able to body up Roy and take him out of his offensive rhythm. The best way to do that is to utilize drives to the rim after Roy posts up, with Roy kicking back out to the drivers. Occasionally, Roy needs to re-post and receive the ball a little deeper in a position to allow him to go to work offensively.

                                Then, the Pacers have to also use those drives to get to the line as often as possible. Finally, they have to hit some jumpers and get boards despite the Bulls bigs. I am afraid that Foster, Hansbrough, McRoberts, and Hibbert are going to have their hands full on the boards, though.

                                Notice that I don't say the first word about stopping Rose until right now. I agree with other's sentiment that the best way to stop the Bulls is to make Rose beat us by taking over the game and not allowing his teammates to get involved.

                                I suspect that the Pacers will win one game, maybe two, unless somehow they get hot shooting. The Bulls are pretty strong, and generally their first string has the advantage at most positions, and significantly so at some positions in my opinion.

                                That said, I hope the Pacers shock the world!!!!!!!! Goooooooo Pacers!!!!!!!!

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