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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • can someone tell me

    what happened to the line-up we started the season with and won all thos games with ?
    The one where guys were happy to play together, where Josh and Roy were patrolling the paint like it was their own frontyard?
    The one where we won games and where players comforted each other if they made a mistake.
    The one where we had a reborn Brandon?

    Why was it changed in the first place ??

    I really can't remember what happened to change it.
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    Mostly Roy's scoring. Don't know whats wrong with Brandon but its disappointing.
    Originally posted by able View Post
    what happened to the line-up we started the season with and won all thos games with ?
    The one where guys were happy to play together, where Josh and Roy were patrolling the paint like it was their own frontyard?
    The one where we won games and where players comforted each other if they made a mistake.
    The one where we had a reborn Brandon?

    Why was it changed in the first place ??

    I really can't remember what happened to change it.

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    • #3
      Re: can someone tell me

      I'm blaming this on the coach also. For not sticking with those guys. Just like last season. Stop tinkering and give the players time to gel and be a cohesive group.
      I'm not perfect and neither are you.

      Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
      Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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      • #4
        Re: can someone tell me

        We stopped playing defense, Danny quit on his 1st team all-defense attempt, Brandon started playing bad, Roy started playing terri-bad, Josh got pulled for no reason at all, we have quit running in transition, the players have quit on the coach and tuned him out, and most importantly teams are out coaching us while Jim is making horrid mistakes during games..

        ..Like last night we played a zone to pack the paint against Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, Jameer Nelson, and Gilbert Arenas and they hit somewhere in the area code of 50% on threes... While Dwight Howard still had 19 points on 50% shooting.

        The game before that, we left Melo WIDE open and he hit six threes on us. Then, during the Golden State game, we left Rush on Monta Ellis and he had no business guarding him because he was too quick.. George should have guarded him. During the Clippers game when Blake dropped 47 on us, we didn't double him a single time the whole game.

        The coaching gameplan has become THAT bad.
        Last edited by BringJackBack; 01-27-2011, 07:09 AM.

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        • #5
          Re: can someone tell me

          Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
          Mostly Roy's scoring. Don't know whats wrong with Brandon but its disappointing.
          Roy's scoring evaporated at the same time we made the lineup change.

          Now if the lineup change was the cause or the effect has been debated, but there is no question that it certainly was coincidental.

          Why we haven't gone back to what worked, in an effort to get Roy back on track, is beyond me.

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          • #6
            Re: can someone tell me

            Originally posted by able View Post
            what happened to the line-up we started the season with and won all thos games with ?
            The one where guys were happy to play together, where Josh and Roy were patrolling the paint like it was their own frontyard?
            The one where we won games and where players comforted each other if they made a mistake.
            The one where we had a reborn Brandon?

            Why was it changed in the first place ??

            I really can't remember what happened to change it.
            No particular point was the change made. It was "the frog in the kettle" effect.

            The team is the frog. The zillions of wacky substitutions is the kettle.

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            • #7
              Re: can someone tell me

              The change that stands out to me is McRoberts.

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              • #8
                Re: can someone tell me

                Originally posted by maragin View Post
                The change that stands out to me is McRoberts.
                I agree, McRoberts started to jack up 3s at a more consistent level which took him away from rebounding and playing to his athleticism.

                I think when your PF is a threat to drop an alley oop at anytime during the game it makes it hard for the defense to leave him to double Roy. JOB did it for them though by bringing McRoberts away from the basket.

                There is also something to be said for the mentality of where you are at on the floor. When McRoberts was banging down low and rebounding he also played pretty good defense, blocking shots, boxing out, getting rebounds. Once JOB moved him away from the basket he got soft and careless on D. started fouling too much.
                You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                • #9
                  Re: can someone tell me

                  other teams adjusted to stop what the pacers were doing. other teams figured out how to attack the pacer defense. and the team has not been able to find something else that works.

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                  • #10
                    Re: can someone tell me

                    Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                    other teams adjusted to stop what the pacers were doing. other teams figured out how to attack the pacer defense. and the team has not been able to find something else that works.
                    This is a somewhat prevalent opinion among the JOB apologists. But I'm not so into it.

                    Taking a golf analogy, it's like a player who's won 15 tournaments switching putters after two bad tournaments. Bad idea. Stick with what brought you success and work through difficulties.
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                    • #11
                      Re: can someone tell me

                      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                      This is a somewhat prevalent opinion among the JOB apologists. But I'm not so into it.

                      Taking a golf analogy, it's like a player who's won 15 tournaments switching putters after two bad tournaments. Bad idea. Stick with what brought you success and work through difficulties.
                      sorry i disagree. i think this is poor analogy. because the golf putter and course do not make active changes to defend the golfer. the NBA coaches and scouts do. teams have adjusted to roy. brad miller was the first to discover that you can shove roy out of position. as soon as that tape hit the rest of the league, roy stopped being effective. he needs to figure out what to do next. or become a backup big. and the pacers need to sign marc gasol. or al jefferson. or someone that can play the 5.

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                      • #12
                        Re: can someone tell me

                        Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                        sorry i disagree. i think this is poor analogy. because the golf putter and course do not make active changes to defend the golfer. the NBA coaches and scouts do. teams have adjusted to roy. brad miller was the first to discover that you can shove roy out of position. as soon as that tape hit the rest of the league, roy stopped being effective. he needs to figure out what to do next. or become a backup big. and the pacers need to sign marc gasol. or al jefferson. or someone that can play the 5.
                        Yes teams adjusted, but they didn't completely revamp their rotation or style. Adjusting is usually something small, minor, and barely noticeable to the untrained eye. Making sweeping changes to your whole strategy is not simply just adjusting, they might as well had a coaching change.

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                        • #13
                          Re: can someone tell me

                          So will Hibbert ever get it back?

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by sportfireman View Post
                            I'm blaming this on the coach also. For not sticking with those guys. Just like last season. Stop tinkering and give the players time to gel and be a cohesive group.
                            Collison, Granger, and Hibbert have been the starters all year. Rush and Dunleavy shared the sg position the entire first half of the season(and alot of people don't like either of them). What I am asking is if there something other than Josh that you are referring to?

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by k_lewis93 View Post
                              So will Hibbert ever get it back?
                              I hope so.

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