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Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

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  • #31
    Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

    I love his defense - he's a really, really good defender, one of the best. he might have some trouble against the extremely quick smaller point guards, or the really big physical shooting guards, but otherwise, he is excellent.

    he is also excellent running pick and rolls, has good timing, knows when to deliver the pass...

    other than that though, he isn't great at anything else.

    His shooting is overrated - just not that good of a shooter. Average

    Ability to run a team - he's OK.

    Overall he's better than ahything we have and I like him a lot as a player, but mainly for his defense alone

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    • #32
      Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

      Originally posted by Anthem View Post
      He's got to be available, right? Washington just took him for the pick. They don't need a $9mil backup to Wall and Arenas. They need frontcourt players. They'd love to not pay that big salary next year.

      On the other hand, Hinrich could be fine for us, salary-wise. If we traded Troy Murphy for him (which works, BTW), we'd immediately cut almost 3mil from our budget this year. We'd have to pay him next year, but his salary is one of the few in the NBA that actually goes DOWN at the end of this contract.

      The kid's durable. He can hit the 3. He can run a team. He's a good defender.

      He's not worth the money he's making, sure. If he's one of your 2 or 3 best players, you're in trouble. But he'd be a big step up from TJ, and he should mesh well with the Rush/Granger/Hibbert.

      Why are we not pursuing Captain Kirk?
      What do you need a rumor specifically saying we are interested in him? Before the draft it was said we contacted every team in the league about their point guards. Washington knows we are interested in point guards. That means if they or Bird were interested in a deal no doubt they have talked about it.

      So why aren't we pursuing Captain Kirk? Bird say's he want's $30 million in expiring contracts or a deal that fit's in with the Pacers long term plans.

      If Washington can't trade Arenas they might be interested in doing something later.

      My thinking is if Larry can't make what he feels is a good trade he won't do anything. We have all Summer.
      Last edited by Will Galen; 07-15-2010, 10:19 AM.

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      • #33
        Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

        If we trade Murphy, our PF spot is going to look VERY weak, if it isnt already. Who would we start beside Hibbert? Hansbrough and Foster and a huge question. That basically leaves us with McRoberts and S. Jones (we havent signed Rolle yet, and we dont know if we even will)

        McRoberts might not be a bad option at PF, but he still is very inexperienced. I remembered that few times that he started last season, he averaged a double-double. I think if Murphy is traded, we will need to sign a one-year vetern player for possible the vetern's minimum
        "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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        • #34
          Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          I love his defense - he's a really, really good defender, one of the best. he might have some trouble against the extremely quick smaller point guards, or the really big physical shooting guards, but otherwise, he is excellent.

          he is also excellent running pick and rolls, has good timing, knows when to deliver the pass...

          other than that though, he isn't great at anything else.

          His shooting is overrated - just not that good of a shooter. Average

          Ability to run a team - he's OK.

          Overall he's better than ahything we have and I like him a lot as a player, but mainly for his defense alone
          You really over-rate players the Bulls cast off. Artest, Chandler, Hinrich, who else? You may be cheering for the wrong team.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
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          • #35
            Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

            I'd take Hinrich. He only has 2 years left on his contract, perfect stop gap and nice expiring a season from now. And could probably be resigned for 4 million a year to be your back up in the future.
            Last edited by graphic-er; 07-15-2010, 10:54 AM.
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            • #36
              Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

              The Wizards owner (forget the first name) Leonsis said during the Summer League (they interviewed him/talked to him during a game) and he said that they're glad to have Kirk on the team and they're hoping that he, along with Arenas, can also be a bit of a mentor to John Wall and that Hinrich will also be a big part of their team. So I don't think he's all that available unless a nice offer comes along.

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              • #37
                Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

                Originally posted by ChristianDudley View Post
                The Wizards owner (forget the first name) Leonsis said during the Summer League (they interviewed him/talked to him during a game) and he said that they're glad to have Kirk on the team and they're hoping that he, along with Arenas, can also be a bit of a mentor to John Wall and that Hinrich will also be a big part of their team. So I don't think he's all that available unless a nice offer comes along.
                I imagine as the season drags on that they might move Kirk for an expiring.

                If Wall has a Tyreke Evans year then I see Kirk being moved.

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                • #38
                  Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

                  Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                  I'd take Hinrich. He only has 2 years left on his contract, perfect stop gap and nice expiring a season from now. And could probably be resigned for 4 million a year to be your back up in the future.
                  Hes taking at least the full MLE, at the very minimum
                  "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                  • #39
                    Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

                    Why in the world didn't the Wizards pursue their legal right to void Gilbert's contract based upon the gun arrest? Now they are out 80 million dollars for the next 4 years, with no hope of trading him.

                    Nuts.
                    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                    • #40
                      Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

                      Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                      Why in the world didn't the Wizards pursue their legal right to void Gilbert's contract based upon the gun arrest? Now they are out 80 million dollars for the next 4 years, with no hope of trading him.

                      Nuts.
                      Maybe they still like him and didn't expect to land John Wall #1 in the draft... at one time Gilbert was a beast in the NBA before his injury, give him a yr after surgery and all that maybe he will regain form...
                      Why so SERIOUS

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                      • #41
                        Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

                        Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                        If we trade Murphy, our PF spot is going to look VERY weak, if it isnt already. Who would we start beside Hibbert? Hansbrough and Foster and a huge question. That basically leaves us with McRoberts and S. Jones (we havent signed Rolle yet, and we dont know if we even will)

                        McRoberts might not be a bad option at PF, but he still is very inexperienced. I remembered that few times that he started last season, he averaged a double-double. I think if Murphy is traded, we will need to sign a one-year vetern player for possible the vetern's minimum
                        But a Murphy for Hinrich trade would involve seeing NO Murphy and very little Ford this season. If nothing happens, we'll be seeing a lot of Ford and a lot of Murphy. I'd take the no Murphy/little Ford option and gladly watch a PF rotation of Hansbrough/McRoberts/Rolle. And one would assume we'll be going small a decent amount with Danny at the 4. Hinrich has an extra year on his contract, but ultimately I think that might be a good thing. If we draft a first round PG next year, it would allow us to bring him along slowly then cut ties with Kirk after year 2. This is all assuming Washington is even willing to move him, of course.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

                          Originally posted by CooperManning View Post
                          But a Murphy for Hinrich trade would involve seeing NO Murphy and very little Ford this season. If nothing happens, we'll be seeing a lot of Ford and a lot of Murphy. I'd take the no Murphy/little Ford option and gladly watch a PF rotation of Hansbrough/McRoberts/Rolle. And one would assume we'll be going small a decent amount with Danny at the 4. Hinrich has an extra year on his contract, but ultimately I think that might be a good thing. If we draft a first round PG next year, it would allow us to bring him along slowly then cut ties with Kirk after year 2. This is all assuming Washington is even willing to move him, of course.
                          exactly. thinking the very same thing.. draft is the means in which we will likely acquire our pg. reports are the 2011 draft will be loaded with them. we need a pg like hinrich to hold the position until the guy we draft next season is ready to go. at that time, im good with hinrich off the bench. excellent thread, and great post here. completely agree. hinrich is a good long term fix, and immediate help as well.

                          the only question is, who would we have to deal. i think murph is the only guy with some value so i would like to hold onto him. i know hinrich is around 9 mill i believe.. so either Dun or Ford would be the players i would offer. i would even do a 2nd and ford to washington for hinrich. Dun actually has some value to me, i think he will rebound from the injury this season, and is a possibility to be resigned as a sixth man for a reasonable deal.

                          hell.. 2 second rounders and ford for hinrich. the way Bird has been landing 2nd rounders makes me wanna hold back on that, but we get rid of Ford and have a solid pg for several years, first as a good staring pg while a rook develops, then later as a nice backup pg.

                          im for this deal completely. just dont wanna give up murph for hinrich. he is our best trade chip and his value will be highest at the deadline for someone who is in the hunt.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

                            It makes since to try and get Kirk. He is 29, but he could be good for 5 or more years. HIs contract is 9 mil this year. then it is 8 mil for 2011-2012. Fro only one extra year it is worht it to try and get him. I would give up Murphy, and we would also get 3 mil in salary back.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

                              Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                              exactly. thinking the very same thing.. draft is the means in which we will likely acquire our pg. reports are the 2011 draft will be loaded with them. we need a pg like hinrich to hold the position until the guy we draft next season is ready to go. at that time, im good with hinrich off the bench. excellent thread, and great post here. completely agree. hinrich is a good long term fix, and immediate help as well.
                              If we were to acquire Hinrich, he would immediately become our PG of the present and the future. After one season with the Pacers, and with a new CBA eventually in hand, I think the first thing the Pacers would do is to extend Hinrich with a new agreement to take place following the 2011-2012 season.

                              With Hinrich in the fold, and any development whatsoever with AJ and/or Lance, I don't believe selecting another PG would be our primary focus.

                              Obviously Bird would continue to draft the best player available, regardless of position. But I would think that our FA and possible draft needs will be PF, backup C and possibly SG... assuming we acquire Hinrich. With Hinrich on board, if forced to (i.e. AJ and/or Lance not yet good enough to be a quality backup), I believe we could cheaply acquire a free agent PG.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention as a Pacers target?

                                Why is Kirk Hinrich not getting more mention? Because he's not as good as you think he is.

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