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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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  • #31
    Re: Why make this statement???

    Originally posted by Putnam View Post

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    • #32
      Re: Why make this statement???

      Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post
      Far from that.

      I am sure that with the filter of being on broadcast media, he understands the importance of relative decorum even when he is upset when the cameras and microphones are on.

      I feel that the fact that he was willing to go there is indicative of his willingness to go much further than that both in practice and off the court settings where there is no proof of what goes on between the coaches and players. That is the problem.
      I think just the opposite. The comments last night were probably 10 minutes after a loss - he was upset, I hardly think he'll say anything like that to Josh today when either Jim or one of the other coaches meets with Josh to go over his play.

      By the way I have heard Jim be very disagreeable in his post game press conferences pretty much all season long towards many of the players. We've had several threads about it

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      • #33
        Re: Why make this statement???

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        By the way I have heard Jim be very disagreeable in his post game press conferences pretty much all season long towards many of the players. We've had several threads about it
        So he should just be excused for being a di*khead?
        I think not good sir.
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        • #34
          Re: Why make this statement???

          I feel Jim's comments were a tad ignorant. On the other end, I'm sure Josh wasn't jumping for joy of his game. The overall demeanor killed whatever "joy" I'm sure Josh or any other of the players had of his showing last night. BUT, at the same time I feel his efforts shouldn't have gone unnoticed.

          I feel that it's a better time than not to get him into the rotation permanently.

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          • #35
            Re: Why make this statement???

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            Once again I'm shocked that there is any uproar over this
            Buck, we've ridden together on a lot of this, but I think you just jumped the shark.

            It is impossible for me to think you didn't see this coming the minute the words left JOB's mouth.

            I also can't believe you'd see this as an "oh, well" comment. There's a point at which the responsibility for the toads coming out of one's mouth has to hit home. If nothing else, with all the other piling on that is taking place, one would think JOB would realize he needs to be a little more careful about what he says.
            BillS

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            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #36
              Re: Why make this statement???

              Originally posted by KnicksRGarbage View Post
              So he should just be excused for being a di*khead?
              I think not good sir.
              No, I'm not excusing it, just trying to put it into proper perspective. coaches especially right after a loss say a lot of things they shouldn't. Stan Van Gundy I'm sure in Orlando gets critized for his post game comments all the time and many other coaches too.

              BillS, Nooooo, say it ain't so, I thought we rode together until the season ends. No I have no one, nothing, I'm all alone - it is lonely,

              Does anyone have the video of the press conference?? I would like to see it

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              • #37
                Re: Why make this statement???

                Wells: Your team just got destroyed by the best team in the league, your lead scorer was embarrassed by Ron Artest, your point guard was joking around with players on the other team. You also have one of the worst teams in the league, as I like to point out...But let me just ask - were you pleased with how McRoberts played?

                O'Brien: (Bleep) you.

                Can't say I would be in a great state of mind to answer that question either...but it is sweet of all of you to stick up for young Josh. He might need a hug, too
                Last edited by nerveghost; 03-03-2010, 11:03 AM.

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                • #38
                  Re: Why make this statement???

                  He did say soemthing nice about Rush (which he does quite often, but I know many of you don't think he ever does) I'll be looking for the next nice thing he says about Josh.

                  http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/game_100302.html

                  Pacers.com

                  “He’s trying to do whatever to score. I thought Brandon Rush did a really good job on him. He finds the way. If he’s not knocking down shots, he’ll get to the foul line. He’s a very aggressive player.” – O'Brien on Kobe Bryant

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                  • #39
                    Re: Why make this statement???

                    The problem is no longer simply that JOB isn't in love with playing the kiddies. It's seeming more and more that he's actively and openly antagonistic against them.

                    Brandon Rush? AJ Price? Josh McRoberts? For all of these guys, it's not just that Obie doesn't seem to be supporting them. He actually seems to be frustrated by their success.
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                    • #40
                      Re: Why make this statement???

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      He did say soemthing nice about Rush (which he does quite often, but I know many of you don't think he ever does) I'll be looking for the next nice thing he says about Josh.

                      http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/game_100302.html

                      Pacers.com

                      “He’s trying to do whatever to score. I thought Brandon Rush did a really good job on him. He finds the way. If he’s not knocking down shots, he’ll get to the foul line. He’s a very aggressive player.” – O'Brien on Kobe Bryant
                      How easy is it to find something good to say about your 2nd year wing after he just played a lights-out defensive game against the best scorer in the league?

                      He doesn't get a free pass for that.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Why make this statement???

                        Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                        The problem is no longer simply that JOB isn't in love with playing the kiddies. It's seeming more and more that he's actively and openly antagonistic against them.

                        Brandon Rush? AJ Price? Josh McRoberts? For all of these guys, it's not just that Obie doesn't seem to be supporting them. He actually seems to be frustrated by their success.
                        Just ask Unclebuck, I'm sure its very frustrating to be constantly proved wrong every time the young guys get minutes.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Why make this statement???

                          There was no reason for JOB to make that comment at all. What does that do? I wonder if the players respect him as the coach, and if not, would a comment like that really motivate a player, or damage them?

                          I love how he used the word irrelevant describing McBob's play. Well, that's exactly what his comment was, irrelevant.

                          I just don't get this guy. New coach please.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Why make this statement???

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            I think just the opposite. The comments last night were probably 10 minutes after a loss - he was upset, I hardly think he'll say anything like that to Josh today when either Jim or one of the other coaches meets with Josh to go over his play.

                            By the way I have heard Jim be very disagreeable in his post game press conferences pretty much all season long towards many of the players. We've had several threads about it
                            Again, this willingness to chastise multiple players (particularly Rush) in the media is indicative of either a complete lack of a filter on his part, which I highly doubt, especially after a loss of a game that he can't possibly be very upset about due to the infinitessimal odds of our even competing with the Lakers, let alone winning it, or if he does have a filter as most do when on camera or mic, he could easily be expected IMO to do far worse when those items that expose this behavior to the public are no longer present in a private setting.

                            That said, I do think that he gets very upset over losing, especially when he looks bad in the process, which leads to defensiveness in his responses during post game interviews, especially when the questions are regarding anything that he has a hand in as coach. That is human nature, but with him it seems more pronounced IMO, and this reaction on his part after a game that has more positive meaning as a loss than it would have as a win was really uncalled for, but no apology or change in O'B will be forthcoming. It will be as if nothing ever happened, IMO, in his mind because it simply reflects his disdain for Josh and the questions that his lack of playing time are bringing, and likely will again until Josh is all but forgotten due to not being seen once more.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Why make this statement???

                              Originally posted by Peck View Post
                              “It’s irrelevant. Try to do it in a winning effort so it’s really irrelevant.” – O'Brien on McRoberts' career-high


                              Look at face value I get what he is saying, we lost so anyone's stat's are irrelevant.

                              But why go out of your way to put down a guy who really tried his best? 9 of his points came in the first quarter when he was trying to keep the team in the game.

                              Why is it I just get the feeling that if Danny Granger had a career high or if Troy Murphy got a career high this wouldn't be the statement that was made?

                              My thought is that Jim might have gotten a question as to why he wasn't giving Josh more playing time and he took offense.

                              Like I said, I understand the statement I just wonder why it had to be made?
                              Peck, I totally agree. I hate when people play the semantic games or go with this "who really knows" angle as if we've never interacted with other human beings before.

                              People have thoughts and emotions running inside, and no matter what they try those things will taint their comments. This is how experts learn to read for lying or even how your mom knew what you really had been up to.


                              JOB is obviously feeling some pressure about Josh. He's continued to have a weird chip on his shoulder in regards to Josh, Rush, Price and Roy. I think because of their draft status he's been more willing to hold down Josh and Price, but he's aware of the outside desire for these guys to play.

                              You non-attenders might not realize that their are catcalls from time to time and definitely big applause when these guys get in games. If Price were to come off the bench in the first quarter in Conseco at this point he'd get a huge round of applause.

                              So JOB is on the defensive. He's not going to play Josh and he's pre-excusing it just like he did with Roy and Rush last year and Price this year. There's always a reason, usually one that could easily also apply to someone he's not complaining about.


                              Did he dismiss Watson's first half assists because it was a loss?



                              BTW, let's say you are Buck or BillS and want to defend this, let me ask this specific question - how does JOB's comments HELP DEVELOP JOSH? He plays well, does some good things, proves himself ready to go after a long period of DNPs and instead of just complimenting him and reinforcing those positives so he knows there is a reward for them, instead he digs at him like some barter person trying to drive down the price.

                              He is HORRIBLE with the kids. Not just neutral, he's a big negative; a negative coach when it comes to developing youth on a team who's only reason for existence at this point is to develop youth for future seasons.


                              I'm not using hyperbole when I say that this guy actually offends me, and pretty regularly. It's insulting to my intelligence and carries a mean-spirited streak as well. He's combative to the fan criticism when really if he'd taken some of that criticism to heart and mulled it over he'd see that ultimately a lot of it would help him out in the long term.

                              And as we've also pointed out, he drew similar criticism from 2 Coach of the Year winners and guys who have both won 60 games - Phil Jackson and Rick Carlisle. If it were me I'd perk up my ears when guys with that pedigree had something to say.

                              JOB is the guy that tells Ted Williams to pipe down when he starts talking about hitting secrets because he's got his own way and it's working just fine.
                              Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 03-03-2010, 11:50 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Why make this statement???

                                :insert foot into mouth: .... :look like a horses a**: ....

                                I would have loved to be there & followed up with:

                                "So Jim, lets turn the tables a bit. Let's say instead of looking at just one game's results we looked at the entire season's results, and lets say that you are Josh, & Larry or Mr. Simon is you, and this question was asked directly after the Houston game just last week, & the answer you gave about Josh's game was the same Larry/Mr. Simon gave when asked about you & that win - How would you feel?"

                                Then:

                                "Now Jim, lets put into contex that Josh is your youngest player, someone who has hardly played this year, who went up against agruably the best front line in the game today, on arguable the best team in the league, & 9 of Josh's points were in the first half that kept you in the game. Was Josh's contribution irrelavent in the first half because it was still a game, or was it made irrelavent in the second because Granger can't dribble, Watson started thinking he was TJ Ford, and you started worrying about being clowned for your coaching decisions by the Zen-Master again after the game, or is it both & are you pi$$ed because you will now have to answer even MORE McBob/PT questions?"
                                Last edited by PacerGuy; 03-03-2010, 11:45 AM.
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