Dunleavy: players don't know where they are supposed to be

[Brad8888]

Re: Dunleavy: players don't know where they are supposed to be

People you are acting like a bunch of first graders.

Here is what I see going on here, Peck says it's Dun, Able says it's Troy, and you name them says it's Obie. Sounds like a playground point the finger at the other guy type of logic. My guy Roy better not get benched, why doesn't OBie play Mcboob, Tyler ear infection must be more thatn what they are telling us, Troy steals rebounds and on and on and on. Geesh people get a grip, this team just doesn't have enough talent to be world beaters and all the finger pointing and player blaming is not going to change the Pacers into anything but bottom feeders.

Of course it's Troy's fault, problem solved.

Obviously no one expects them to be world beaters. The rosiest of projections here tended to be 45 wins or less, with an average of about 39 or so during the preseason, and many here being more accurate than the average in expecting less than 35.

What is alarming is the lack of progress and / or regression of the team overall as well as for the individual players. There are so many different directions to point fingers that it is impossible to figure out where to point them, so the easiest ones to find tend to be the ones that get harped on the most.

Yes, we are all tired of *****ing and moaning, and we all have our favorites that we either defend or bash.

I just hope that enough of us continue to care about posting at all that the board doesn't suffer in quality of posting, quantity of pertinent information, as well as the differences of opinion that is so nice to have from everybody here.

[odeez]

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Nice Post!

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2010/01/obrien_goes_off.html

"I think sometimes it can be attributed to effort, other times it can be attributed to understanding what we're trying to do,"

"It seems like we have a hard time following through what we're told to do on a daily and weekly basis.

"We're always playing catch up. Certainly more effort and desire will help that, but at some point we have to start figuring things out and know where we're supposed to be."

Sounds to me like Dun is speaking about the team as a whole. It is more dramatic to speculate that he is talking about one player. If he is, hopefully he is addressing it in the locker room or on the court. He should, he is a veteran player, he should have a leading voice on the team. Though I speculate he doesn't get ton of respect, because he hasn't won in NBA, same goes for Troy (again speculation).

I do like Dun as a player and have been giving him a pass because of his knee. But I view him and his contract has a big road block to us moving forward. I just don't see him as a game changer at this point. He could be a valuable piece to a team competing for a title, but not a young team like ours.

I like that JOB got in their butts. I would rather him show some fire to motivate than not. Though I still think he's gone at the end of the season. I don't blame him for all the teams problems; the blame can go around to everyone.

But what I still can't believe is that we have for the second straight season a starting pg sitting on the bench. 8 million dollars going to waste, plus TINS money weighing us down. No wonder we aren't very good.

Not much we can do till all that money comes off the books so we can bring in new talent and maybe a top 5 player from the draft this year (hope).

To me all this talk and speculation is just filler, until we either trade or let expire, the deals of Murph, Dun, and Ford. Plus the fact Tins money is still on our books for this year (I believe it isn't next year). Once these things happen I will be able to be emotional involved again.

[JohnnyBGoode]

Re: Dunleavy: players don't know where they are supposed to be

He's a major part of it Country Boy.

OK Peck

[JohnnyBGoode]

Re: Dunleavy: players don't know where they are supposed to be

Making the same points over and over again while being childish enough to label and/or make fun of others? Sounds like a 1st grader to me.

Not at all, I am responding to the same points being made over and over and over.. Maybe I should have said that many are acting like a bunch of cats on a hot tin roof.

[90'sNBARocked]

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I wonder if Mike was thinking and preparing this speech while he was on the floor. That would explain the solid defensive effort he gave as Jason Williams scored an easy unimpeded two off of the fast break. I mean Mike really could not concentrate on both, could he.

I say this next part in all seriousness. I would rather watch Jermaine O'Neal jack up turn around fade away shots all game than see what Mike Dunleavy did on that defensive play.

I'm sorry but that was disgusting to me.

I know that many of you will consider this a stretch but at that point in time I became infuriated with O'Brien. He gets mad at Roy for just about any little thing and has zero problem calling him out, benching him or whatever. But Mike does this and this isn't the first time, and its play on.

Which just leads me to believe that he can talk about defense all he wants, but until I see an established pattern that shows me he won't allow Murphy or Dunleavy to literally take defensive plays off I will continue to believe that he truly values offense far more.

the bottom line is their is no stability to anything this guy does.
he has completely lost the team, and the guys have clearly packed it in
I dont think even Obie can figure Obie out

[McKeyFan]

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I couldn't find a postgame thread so I'll put this here:

In our victory over Orlando:

Hibbert: 35 minutes
Murphy: 0 minutes

In our blowout loss to Orlando:

Murphy: 35 minutes
Hibbert: 18 minutes


I don't really care if Roy knew where to go on the court or not. I think Obie's decisions are terrible, and I am angry about it.

Of course the team is in chaos.

[PR07]

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Players can point fingers all they want, but the fact of the matter is, is that this team really isn't that good. We have Granger and a bunch of guys who would be good backups, but probably not starters on a contending team. I mean Earl Watson is our starting PG!

Hibbert and Rush have shown flashes (much more Roy this season), but they aren't quite ready to be consistent key contributors yet. Murphy and Dunleavy are nice players, but when they're called to be your #2 and #3 best players, you're in trouble.

That being said, Dunleavy, Murphy, and even Granger need to get better defensively or get out of town. Right now, they're largely all one-way players, and you can't really have three players in your lineup who do that. Good defense leads to good offense.

[Mr. Sobchak]

Re: Dunleavy: players don't know where they are supposed to be

People you are acting like a bunch of first graders.

Here is what I see going on here, Peck says it's Dun, Able says it's Troy, and you name them says it's Obie. Sounds like a playground point the finger at the other guy type of logic. My guy Roy better not get benched, why doesn't OBie play Mcboob, Tyler ear infection must be more thatn what they are telling us, Troy steals rebounds and on and on and on. Geesh people get a grip, this team just doesn't have enough talent to be world beaters and all the finger pointing and player blaming is not going to change the Pacers into anything but bottom feeders.

Of course it's Troy's fault, problem solved.

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[BillS]

Re: Dunleavy: players don't know where they are supposed to be

I couldn't find a postgame thread so I'll put this here:

In our victory over Orlando:

Hibbert: 35 minutes
Murphy: 0 minutes

In our blowout loss to Orlando:

Murphy: 35 minutes
Hibbert: 18 minutes


I don't really care if Roy knew where to go on the court or not. I think Obie's decisions are terrible, and I am angry about it.

Of course the team is in chaos.

In our victory over Orlando, Hibbert pwned Howard. In our loss, Howard pwned Hibbert.

[Hicks]

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In our victory over Orlando, Hibbert pwned Howard. In our loss, Howard pwned Hibbert.

We also went to Roy in the post a lot less.

[JohnnyBGoode]

Re: Dunleavy: players don't know where they are supposed to be

I couldn't find a postgame thread so I'll put this here:

In our victory over Orlando:

Hibbert: 35 minutes
Murphy: 0 minutes

In our blowout loss to Orlando:

Murphy: 35 minutes
Hibbert: 18 minutes


I don't really care if Roy knew where to go on the court or not. I think Obie's decisions are terrible, and I am angry about it.

Of course the team is in chaos.

Simplistic viewpoint.

[JohnnyBGoode]

Re: Dunleavy: players don't know where they are supposed to be

We also went to Roy in the post a lot less.

And if we had it would have been much worse.

[Unclebuck]

Re: Dunleavy: players don't know where they are supposed to be

I couldn't find a postgame thread so I'll put this here:

In our victory over Orlando:

Hibbert: 35 minutes
Murphy: 0 minutes

In our blowout loss to Orlando:

Murphy: 35 minutes
Hibbert: 18 minutes


I don't really care if Roy knew where to go on the court or not. I think Obie's decisions are terrible, and I am angry about it.

Of course the team is in chaos.

You are going to have to explain in more detail than that. I mean do you really think that was the difference in the game. Might it have soemthing to do with how great Howard played last night. Magic played well in one game bad in the other, the pacers were the exact opposite. OK I feel like I'm being pulled back into the same type of thing as the 5 games in November thing.

I mean really, do I need to explain this, really?


Seriously though, this is all that I needed to post.
Plus/minus for last night
Roy - (-22) - the worst on the team
Troy - (+1) - the second best on the team

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[Hicks]

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And if we had it would have been much worse.

Okay? "Roy's inconsistent, so let's not even try going to him very much." Is that what you want?

[JohnnyBGoode]

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Okay? "Roy's inconsistent, so let's not even try going to him very much." Is that what you want?

It doesn't have to be all or nothing.