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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #421
    Re: Official Summer League Thread

    Article I found about a guy on the summer league team:

    http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/200...820000bd11.txt

    VU grad Ali Berdiel is playing for the Pacers' summer league team


    You don't call them; they call you. And when they do -- rather, if they do -- you drop whatever it is you're doing.

    Ali Berdiel got the call last month. At the time, he was still considering trying out for Puerto Rico's Olympic basketball team. All that changed when the Indiana Pacers invited him to try out for their summer league team.

    The Andrean and Valparaiso University grad made it through two rounds of cuts just to make the Pacers' summer team. That allowed him the chance to play five games in five days this week, a narrow window of opportunity to make an indelible impression.

    Berdiel, 24, knows it's a long shot he will still be with the Pacers at week's end. The talent, even in the summer league, is tremendous. The competition, fierce. Even if he is offered a non-guaranteed contract, all that assures him is an invitation to yet another tryout this fall.

    But all Berdiel, a 6-foot-6 guard, ever wanted was a chance -- however slight, however small.

    "I think every person's dream is to play in the NBA," Berdiel said earlier this week. "Even if (this week) doesn't go well, I still want to give myself that chance to make it here."

    That Berdiel is even in Orlando, Fla., playing for his second summer league team in as many years -- he was with the New York Knicks for a brief stint last July -- is a testament to how much he has improved since graduating VU in 2006.

    Berdiel played the point for the Crusaders and still ranks third on the program's all-time assists and steals lists despite battling a painful foot injury. He can still handle the ball -- just like his idol, Jason Kidd -- as evidenced by his 4.8 assists in 24 games for the NBA Developmental League's Albuquerque Thunderbirds last winter.

    But it was with the Thunderbirds that he began to assert himself as a double threat -- a passer and a scorer, a guy who could drop 20 points one night and 10 assists the next, a true combo guard.

    "That was his problem earlier in his career. He was dead set on being a point guard," said Berdiel's Merrillville-based agent, David Maravilla. "With his size and ability to shoot, he's a guy that can be a multiple-position player. That's where he's got an edge. He can play two positions, he can guard two or three positions. Rather than fight it, he had to learn to embrace it."

    That's not to say Berdiel doesn't still fight the urge to dish it to a teammate every time down the court.

    "I've always played the point, so I favor being a point guard more than being a shooting guard," said Berdiel, who has played in the D-League and the Continental Basketball Association, as well as pro leagues in Puerto Rico and Belgium.

    "I'm a pass first, shoot second type of guy. It's a little more of a transition when I play the 2 cause I'm still thinking about passing before shooting."

    If the Pacers don't offer Berdiel a contract, he will likely land with another European pro team. While it's not the NBA, it's still a chance to continue pursuing his dream.

    "This is what I've always wanted to do," he said. "Even in high school, I was pretty much set about playing pro basketball."

    Ali Berdiel's career at a glance
    2001-2006: Valparaiso University -- Averaged 7.9 points, 4.1 assists, 2.7 rebounds and 1.4 steals in his career and still ranks third on the Crusaders' all-time assists and steals lists.
    2006-07: Utah Eagles (Continental Basketball Association) -- Averaged 10.9 points, 6.0 assists, 4.9 rebounds in 14 games.
    2007: Dexia Mons-Hainaut (Belgium) -- Averaged 7.6 points, 2.1 rebounds, 2.1 assists.
    2007: Puerto Rican National Team -- Helped Puerto Rico win a Silver Medal at the 2007 Pan-American Games.
    2007-08: Cangrejeros de Santurce (Puerto Rican pro league) -- Averaged 5.4 points in 29 games and was named to all-star team.
    2008: Albuquerque Thunderbirds (NBDL) -- Averaged 9.9 points, 4.8 assists, 3.7 rebounds, 1.5 steals in 24 games.

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    • #422
      Re: Official Summer League Thread

      Originally posted by Leroy Staley View Post

      It sounded like Daniels still might be.

      I actually think Daniels brings a unique subset of skills to the team at a pretty reasonable price.

      I sure hope not. I'm tired of injury prone players. Quis' game is so unreliably inconsistant... on 1 game off 2-3 games. At his salary, 6.8 mil, he's not reasonably priced for what he produces when he produces, and all the games he misses with injuries. He's got to be tied with Williams as to his being right behind Tinsley leaving. Giving up Cro's expiring for Quis was a terrible mistake. JMOAA

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      • #423
        Re: Official Summer League Thread

        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
        I sure hope not. I'm tired of injury prone players. Quis' game is so unreliably inconsistant... on 1 game off 2-3 games. At his salary, 6.8 mil, he's not reasonably priced for what he produces when he produces, and all the games he misses with injuries. He's got to be tied with Williams as to his being right behind Tinsley leaving. Giving up Cro's expiring for Quis was a terrible mistake. JMOAA
        In his defense, he's a much better player when he doesn't have to be a PG.
        This space for rent.

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        • #424
          Re: Official Summer League Thread

          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
          In his defense, he's a much better player when he doesn't have to be a PG.
          I agree. But I do think he got in a habit of settling for jumpers at times as well, probably due to the JOB system. And then he seemed to slump even when it came to making those in traffic layups that normally fall like magic for him.



          Shawne sure had a poor summer league. It's not getting him cut or anything but he'll obviously need to work on things for fall camp if he wants to find minutes on the roster.

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          • #425
            Re: Official Summer League Thread

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
            But I do think he got in a habit of settling for jumpers at times as well, probably due to the JOB system. And then he seemed to slump even when it came to making those in traffic layups that normally fall like magic for him.
            I agree with this. When "Quisy for Threezy" came into being, the rest of his game went south. But he is one of the better defenders on the team (granted, not a lot of competition here) and is probably the best player on the team at creating his own shot. And while 6.8 million isn't cheap, it is expiring. I like him as a backup 2, and don't see the urgency to replace him.

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            • #426
              Re: Official Summer League Thread

              Originally posted by NuffSaid View Post
              The player I'm keeping my eye on for the Pacers' SL team is Andre Emmett. So far he's done pretty good avg. 13ppg on nearly .500 FGA. Granted, it's SL play, but I think if anyone has a chance to make the roster it's this guy. Pacers may be heavy w/SGs, but kinda light in SFs.
              Here are Emmett's stats for Summer League play:

              MIN - 21:39, FG/A: 5-9 (.555), 3P/A: 1-2 (.500), FT/A: 2-2 (1.000)

              Rbds: OR/DF/TOT - 1/2/3, Ast: 1, TO: 1, ST: .8, BS: 0, PF: .4; PPG: 13

              Game Highs:

              MIN - 27:40, FG/A: 7-8 (.875), 3P/A: 2-4 (.500), FT/A: 4-7 (.570)

              Rbds: OR/DF/TOT - 2/4/6, Ast: 3, TO: 2, ST: 3, BS: 0, PF: 2; PPG: 17

              Best Game: Game 4 (7/10/08)

              Why am I so high on Emmett? Because of all the Pacers' invitees other than Josh Davis, Emmett has been both the most consistent and the most efficient scorer at the (Small)Forward position. I'm impressed with both players performances, but like I said above I think Emmett would have the better chance of making the roster if he does, in fact, play at SF.

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              • #427
                Re: Official Summer League Thread

                Originally posted by Anthem View Post


                Right, I see what you're saying. If Danny, Dunleavy, Shawne, Quis, and Graham were all injured, who'd play SF?
                Don't worry. We have a backup: Brandon Rush.

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                • #428
                  Re: Official Summer League Thread

                  Originally posted by NuffSaid View Post

                  like I said above I think Emmett would have the better chance of making the roster if he does, in fact, play at SF.
                  Isn't 6'4" or 6'5" a little small for SF?

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                  • #429
                    Re: Official Summer League Thread

                    Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                    Isn't 6'4" or 6'5" a little small for SF?
                    Not really. Desmon Mason is 6'5" same as Andre Emmett. Paul Pierce and Richard Jefferson, who I think is one of the best SFs out there, both stand at only 6'7" - a mere two inches taller than Emmett and one inch shorter than Josh Davis. Stephen Jackson, who we know has split time between SG and SF, is only 6'8", the same height as Josh Davis and a mere 3 inches taller than Emmett.

                    I don't think their height is so much a factor as much as their quickness and defensive smarts and aggressiveness.

                    I don't know how well either will do in the NBA, but I'm hopeful that something can be worked out to retain either Josh Davis or Andre Emmett. I'm impressed with Emmett only because he showed consistency coming off the bench and playing at SF. That's saying alot about this guy's skill level.

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                    • #430
                      Re: Official Summer League Thread

                      If anybody wants to see Bayless playing, Portland - Wizards game is on right now. There are other nice players to see. I am watching Kopponen closely. Bayless looks good but he is pushing too much sometimes.

                      edit: Petteri Kopponen is a very good PG.
                      Last edited by Placebo; 07-14-2008, 10:24 PM.

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                      • #431
                        Re: Official Summer League Thread

                        I'm going to throw up. Bayless scores 28. Elevates well, hits the tear drop. Ouch.

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                        • #432
                          Re: Official Summer League Thread

                          Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                          I'm going to throw up. Bayless scores 28. Elevates well, hits the tear drop. Ouch.
                          Get it all out of your system now, unless you plan on thinking that every time you see Bayless in the next 10 years.

                          That would be painful.
                          Last edited by Anthem; 07-14-2008, 11:23 PM.
                          This space for rent.

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                          • #433
                            Re: Official Summer League Thread

                            Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                            Get it all out of your system now, unless you plan on thinking that every time you see Bayless in the next 10 years.
                            No, it's not a big deal for me. Initially it was.

                            BTW, he had a goose egg for assists...

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                            • #434
                              Re: Official Summer League Thread

                              He was good. Actually he plays like Monta Ellis.
                              Everytime he gets the ball, he is gets it to the hoop. He is very quick, draws the contact and finishes strongly. He is VERY focused even in a summer league game and you could clearly see that he wanted to win.

                              At the same time he is very selfish. He needs to wake up and realize he is not playing for Arizona anymore. If he wants to become a point guards it's gonna be a painful transformation for him.
                              Sometimes he forces too much which is unnecessary, he needs to see the open men and consider other options.
                              He showed some hustle plays but rarely played defense.
                              Oh and he is full of himself, I strongly believe his attitude will be an issue. I can see Arenas comparison but if he works hard to become a Tony Parker type of player, then he can win big in this league. Despite the lack of experience, the moment he steps on an NBA game, he is a better player than say Randy Foye.

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                              • #435
                                Re: Official Summer League Thread

                                rush better at least match what bayless accomplishes in his career

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