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Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13 -
So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.
If you've done 6 impossible things today?
Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!
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Why are most of you here? "Not top 25%"=worst team management? Championship in 5 years or get out of town? Injuries don't matter (except they are why Philly's process didn't work.)
Just go be Kings fans who haven't won a series in 19 years but by golly are Contenders because they only got beat by the previous champs, unlike the Pacers who were embarrassed by being beaten by the previous year's champs.
The double standards here are palpable. If you think the team isn't losing enough go be the fan of the team who literally has won the lottery every losing season they've had instead of whining about the team that has never won it.BillS
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...Comment
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I'm not sure where I indicated that I'm happy when the team makes bad moves, or that the team is only capable of making bad moves. I'm pretty sure I've stated in the past that this team all but lost me, particularly when we were running Brogdon/Levert whatever else that garbage lineup was. What I'm trying to emphasize is, I think the team has made good moves, whether due to a good decision or sheer dumb luck. I've celebrated those moves. I'm happy we aren't stuck with the corpse of Oladipo. I'm happy with Mathruin last year. I was torn on trading Sabonis, but understood the decision. Not everything that has happened is all bad, and I can objectively see that. Are the Pacers dumpy? Yes. Have they been for a while? Yes. But I'm also not going to sit here every day saying, ad nauseam, zomg they're dumpy, because that gets redundant very quickly.
So, to put some productivity in this, who would they have to draft this year to make you happy? Or is whatever the Pacers do going to be a bad move because it wasn't 5th pick?Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.Comment
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Here's another interesting one:
Longest NBA Conference Finals Droughts -> https://champsorchumps.us/drought/lo...finals-drought
44 years Wizards
35 years Hornets
22 years Knicks
21 years Sixers
21 years Pelicans
20 years Kings
19 years Nets
18 years Timberwolves
16 years Jazz
15 years Pistons
13 years Magic
12 years Bulls
9 years Pacers
9 years Grizzlies
So, that list would have us tied for 14th worst. In other words, we're pretty middle of the road on this list.
Of course, it depends on what one considers success. Some people consider making the playoffs a success. That would be the case with this year's Kings, for example. They had just broken the record for longest NBA playoff drought the year before and they were desperate to make the playoffs which is why they pulled the trigger on trading Hali. The trade helped them make the playoffs this year and put an end to their streak. They didn't win a playoff series but this was still a highly successful season for them. That's why Monte McNair won Executive of the Year after all.
Other people only consider it a success if the team wins a playoff series. For others, the bar is making the Conference Finals. For others, the bar is making the Finals. And there are also those for whom the bar for success is winning the title itself. Nothing short of that counts as a success.
So, yeah, it depends on what one considers success and where does everyone set that bar. Everyone has the right to their opinion. For what is worth, this is what Giannis had to say on the matter:
Originally posted by IrishPacer
Empty vessels make the most noise.Comment
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Not top 25% a single time in 9, soon to be 10 tries Bill. Try to at least pretend to not straw man. I don't believe you genuinely are unable to comprehend what I'm saying. I don't have double standard, I've made my standard very clear. Meanwhile you seemingly have no standards at all.Last edited by Dece; 05-19-2023, 06:38 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by IrishPacer
Empty vessels make the most noise.Comment
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I have enjoyed watching the Pacers for the last 30+ years, and yes that includes the last 9 years, because it is entertainment. I have been entertained. That is the point.
I am not relying on a group of young men to provide my life some fulfillment by accomplishing something in their careers while I stand by doing nothing. I have plenty of fulfilling things in my own life. I don’t need to live vicariously through a basketball team. But, to each their own. I hope someday you can find the happiness that you are searching for.Comment
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You seem to not understand what a double standard is so I will help you. A double standard is two simultaneously held positions, typically positions at odds with another. So even if you were correct and I believed one thing in 2013 and believe a different thing in 2023, that would not be anything remotely similar to a double standard. Simultaneous is the key, in this case.
However you're even more incorrect than that, I don't typically talk much about coaching because I didn't then, and don't now, really know what makes coaches successful or not. At most I draw inferences on their success over time relative to the talent they have available, but I'm not now, and wasn't then, a guy who beat the fire the coach drum much. I do challenge you to find me ranting about how Vogel should be fired. I think you'll likely find you're confusing me for V of that era, which is understandable we do often have similar points of view.
The thing you aren't wrong on, though, is I was unhappy with what the team was doing then. I never believed in Hibbert, I thought he was a bum and he would hold the team back. He was out of the league soon after. I was also pissed about trading for George Hill. There was also a period of time I was quite unhappy with Paul George after he stopped caring and knocked up that stripper, although I've since come around on that era being less his fault, and more the inevitable outcome of him seeing how poor management was. Probably he also just did some maturing and growing.
I won't take the time to respond to your years since last conference finals point but just as a quick add in here, I think that's a bad point for a few reasons. One you can easily just go, years since last NBA title and the Pacers have never listed there. Second, I don't, and I don't think many people do, care who was winning 15-20-25-30 years ago. I think looking at the last 5-10 years is much more indicative of how well a franchise is being run when you consider personnel aging out, ownership changing hands, etc.Comment
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