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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #91
    Look at this scammer all disappointed after letting Hield/McConnell others win a bunch of meaningless games so homers could feel good inside.



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    • #92
      Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post



      I may be naive but aren't you supposed to play every game like it's game 7?

      Clown franchise!? Why are you still paying it any mind? Dude, I don't wanna be a bomb thrower but your schtick is super old and it's shelf life expired about a decade ago.

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      The players should, but the franchise shouldn't treat every game that way.

      But they also didn't treat it that way. Hield's minutes were reduced down the stretch even as other players were sitting out. People can say the franchise wasn't trying hard enough to lose, but the evidence simply doesn't support that they were trying to win games either.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post



        I may be naive but aren't you supposed to play every game like it's game 7?

        Clown franchise!? Why are you still paying it any mind? Dude, I don't wanna be a bomb thrower but your schtick is super old and it's shelf life expired about a decade ago.

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        No, specially if you already made the decision to sit Hali/Softner for the rest of the season.
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        • #94
          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

          No, specially if you already made the decision to sit Hali/Softner for the rest of the season.
          How do you not let players win if you have them on the court? You signed McConnell & Heild specifically. What kind of development is that if your vets are dogging it? What is KP, supposed to do? Call up the Mad Antz roster?

          Granted Cubs, I didn't like how the front office/coaching staff went about the minutes after sitting Hali & moving Buddy to the bench, but it didn't seem as aggregious as some want to make it.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
            How do you not let players win if you have them on the court? You signed McConnell & Heild specifically. What kind of development is that if your vets are dogging it? What is KP, supposed to do? Call up the Mad Antz roster?

            Granted Cubs, I didn't like how the front office/coaching staff went about the minutes after sitting Hali & moving Buddy to the bench, but it didn't seem as aggregious as some want to make it.

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            Two players that are not part of the future but you let them screw up your future, it's what the Pacers do every time (see Thad Young/Hill).


            Pacers had a hold on the 5th pick but they decided to win some garbage games moving down two spots just because this is Indiana and we love the roundabouts.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

              Two players that are not part of the future but you let them screw up your future, it's what the Pacers do every time (see Thad Young/Hill).


              Pacers had a hold on the 5th pick but they decided to win some garbage games moving down two spots just because this is Indiana and we love the roundabouts.
              You all give way too much creedamce to that ****ing ping pong ball machine.

              You can move the runners along the bases to score your runs. It doesn't always have to be standing at the plate swinging out of your *** splitting home runs with strike outs. Even at 7, we are in position to get a guy that helps us.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                You all give way too much creedamce to that ****ing ping pong ball machine.

                You can move the runners along the bases to score your runs. It doesn't always have to be standing at the plate swinging out of your *** splitting home runs with strike outs. Even at 7, we are in position to get a guy that helps us.

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                True, I mean I was one of the people telling Bills that I was happy with a top ten pick over going to the play in so here we are


                On a positive note the Pacers got a couple of mediocre teams in front of them so there is a chance somebody good drops.
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                • #98
                  Long way to go to the draft and we have a lot of flexibility. Will be interesting to see what we do. Obviously no way we are bringing in 5 rookies to add to this team.

                  Losing out on Wemby sucks, but I do admit I have questions if the guy will actually be durable and last and the last time I had those questions was with Zion and wellllllll....that being said I still would be doing backflips if we were the ones getting to take that chance.

                  I really like Jarace Walker and Whitmore for our team, but I won't be surprised if we move off all our first round picks.


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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                    Two players that are not part of the future but you let them screw up your future, it's what the Pacers do every time (see Thad Young/Hill).


                    Pacers had a hold on the 5th pick but they decided to win some garbage games moving down two spots just because this is Indiana and we love the roundabouts.
                    It's an exaggeration to say they had a hold on the 5th pick. Unless I missed a day, they literally never even got into 5th. They were really close a couple of times, but they never got there.

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                    • If they had traded Buddy for literally anything, as they should have, they would have been solidly 5th or lower. It wouldn't matter if it were the 400th pick of the 2052 draft, it would have been the right move.

                      Do you suppose Portland will take Buddy + 7th for the 3rd?

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                      • Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        Long way to go to the draft and we have a lot of flexibility. Will be interesting to see what we do. Obviously no way we are bringing in 5 rookies to add to this team.

                        Losing out on Wemby sucks, but I do admit I have questions if the guy will actually be durable and last and the last time I had those questions was with Zion and wellllllll....that being said I still would be doing backflips if we were the ones getting to take that chance.

                        I really like Jarace Walker and Whitmore for our team, but I won't be surprised if we move off all our first round picks.
                        Move ALL three 1st round and two 2nd round picks?

                        I fully expect 2 to 3 of those picks to be moved, but not all 5.

                        My hope is that the Pacers does the following:

                        - Keep #7 ( cuz that one will for sure translate into a long term Starter )
                        - Draft another Player ( whether it be by consolidating the remaining draft picks to trade up or simply drafting someone at one of those spots )
                        - Use the rest to trade for long term assets

                        It wouldn't surprise me by the end of the draft if we end up:

                        1 ) Drafting one of Whitmore / Ausar / Black / Hendricks / Jarace
                        2 ) Another Player drafted in the early 20s to develop that can come off the bench
                        3 ) A new key rotational Player on the roster ( via a trade of those remaining draft picks and an Expiring )

                        Of course, that is what I'm just hoping happens.
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                        • Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post

                          It's an exaggeration to say they had a hold on the 5th pick. Unless I missed a day, they literally never even got into 5th. They were really close a couple of times, but they never got there.
                          The Pacers ended up being 2 games out of the 5th worst record held by the Blazers. While it is unlikely that the Pacers could have ended up in the bottom 4, it was possible to end up with a bottom 5 record. But I would argue that the decision to tank for the 5th worst record would have had to be made earlier in the season, specifically before the Blazers decided to go into "full on Tank mode".

                          The Pacers could have lost 2 or 3 games earlier in the season where they ended up with a worst record than the Blazers.
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                          • Originally posted by Dece View Post
                            Portland with 33 wins is drafting 3 while the Pacers with 35 wins drafts 7. The prophecy of the opportunity cost of Buddy Hield has been fulfilled.
                            Houston with 22 wins is picking 4th. Detroit with 17 wins is picking 5th. The lottery is what it is.

                            Portland performed an admirable tank job. They had 24 games left after the ASB and they managed to lose 19 of them. They were good at tanking and they were reward for it with some lottery luck.

                            We also tried to do that but we weren't nearly as successful as Portland was at it. We had 22 games left after the ASB and we only lost 13 of them.

                            We did a far better tanking job last year, by the way. We had 22 games left after the ASB and we lost 17 of them (same amount of wins as Portland, only 5). We even managed to lose 10 straight games at the end. Despite our valiant tanking effort last year which secured us the 5th worst record (same Portland), we dropped in the lottery and picked 6th. Portland jumped this year and picked 5th.

                            Because that's just how the lottery is. Sometimes the team with the 5th worse record jumps into the top 3. Other times, it drops a spot. Sacramento, for example, had the 7th worst record last year (same as we did this year) and yet they jumped in the lottery and got 4th. They were lucky. We weren't. It happens. Because, again, that's how the lottery works. Lucks plays into it. Sometimes you are lucky, other times you aren't.
                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                            • Depending on the randomness of the god'amn ping pong balls is fan fantasy that was unfortunately legitimized by a GM rightfully fired long ago in Philadelphia.

                              You don't build a fanbase by losing games. I'd rather be mediocre with a chance to make s move to improve. That doesn't mean endorsing the malpractice of being mediocre because the front office mismanaged the cap. That is a Ringling Bros clown show worthy of Vnzla's or Dece's ire. I feel that acting all indigent because we won a few games down the stretch is misguided fan fantasy!

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                              • Originally posted by Dece View Post
                                If they had traded Buddy for literally anything, as they should have, they would have been solidly 5th or lower. It wouldn't matter if it were the 400th pick of the 2052 draft, it would have been the right move.

                                Do you suppose Portland will take Buddy + 7th for the 3rd?
                                Would we have a worse record had we moved Buddy for a future 2nd + salary filler vet who wouldn't play? Yeah, probably.

                                Would that mean that we'd get the 3rd pick like Portland did? Nope, it wouldn't.

                                We did finish 5th last year, the same spot that Portland finished in this year. Did we move up like they did? No, we didn't. We dropped down a spot and picked 6th. And we dropped down a spot because Sacramento, the team that had the 7th worst record (the exact same spot we had this year), was lucky enough to jump and get in the top 4.

                                Because, at the end of the day, there are no guarantees in the lottery. Luck plays a significant role that cannot be overlooked or understated. A worse record doesn't necessarily mean a better pick as the examples above indicate (or, you know, we can just look at what happened at the top of last year's lottery with poor Detroit dropping to 5th despite having the worst record in the league). All one can do is make sure that they give themselves the best chance at getting lucky that they can but 1) they probably aren't the only team trying to do that and not everyone is going to succeed and 2) even if they do succeed, there's no guarantee that you'll actually get lucky.
                                Originally posted by IrishPacer
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