How do we make Tyrese stay for more than 3 seasons?

[Ichi]

Not at all concerned with the three season thing, as he'll probably be a good soldier until it's near the time for his extension to end. That gives us like 5ish years, which absolutely does not mean an "all-in" move in the next year or two imo. Maybe adding a couple decent-very good vets, but not sacrificing a ton of future assets for them.

I think one of the worst things we could do is put together a team that could Maybe compete for an ECF, whose peak will likely be ending around the time Hali's max would be coming to an end, as he'll obviously be an UFA. I think a slowish build, with a pinch of tanking (this year c'mon FO), is the best way to do this thing.

[Pacerized]

Not at all concerned with the three season thing, as he'll probably be a good soldier until it's near the time for his extension to end. That gives us like 5ish years, which absolutely does not mean an "all-in" move in the next year or two imo. Maybe adding a couple decent-very good vets, but not sacrificing a ton of future assets for them.

I think one of the worst things we could do is put together a team that could Maybe compete for an ECF, whose peak will likely be ending around the time Hali's max would be coming to an end, as he'll obviously be an UFA. I think a slowish build, with a pinch of tanking (this year c'mon FO), is the best way to do this thing.

We still have the remainder of Haliburton's contract plus 4-5 years on his next contract. The least of our worries will be making an ECFs during that 7-8 years. We're missing 3-4 players we'd need to add to a much improved Haliburton and Mathurin to get there one of which needs to be an all nba talent. Unless this team wakes up and trys to build through the draft we won't ever see an ecf with Hali. I agree with you but I fear our F.O. will be giving up picks for someone like Collins or OG that won't move the needle past play in tournament.

[SaintLouisan]

Softner is not on the same level as those other guys not even close.

(I think/hope)

[dal9]

to be fair, turner is better than either sabonis or dipo right now, and is more clutch than PG if nothing else

[SaintLouisan]

to be fair, turner is better than either sabonis or dipo right now, and is more clutch than PG if nothing else

Well I'll just let v handle this one…

I might just be chomping down on the bait here, but are there people that seriously think Turner is better? There certainly aren’t outside PD

Myles doesn’t deserve the hate he gets from some, but let’s get real here…

[boombuckets]

Build Hali a statue at the Fieldhouse gates.

[vnzla81]

to be fair, turner is better than either sabonis or dipo right now, and is more clutch than PG if nothing else

You need to Stop drinking this much

[cinotimz]

Well I'll just let v handle this one…

I might just be chomping down on the bait here, but are there people that seriously think Turner is better? There certainly aren’t outside PD

Myles doesn’t deserve the hate he gets from some, but let’s get real here…

but of course....no-time all-stars are always better than 3 time all-stars....and the best players are always the ones that dont make the team-they sit around and watch the lesser players play the all-star game...just like a certain center of ours will be watching a former center of ours

[Ichi]

We still have the remainder of Haliburton's contract plus 4-5 years on his next contract. The least of our worries will be making an ECFs during that 7-8 years. We're missing 3-4 players we'd need to add to a much improved Haliburton and Mathurin to get there one of which needs to be an all nba talent. Unless this team wakes up and trys to build through the draft we won't ever see an ecf with Hali. I agree with you but I fear our F.O. will be giving up picks for someone like Collins or OG that won't move the needle past play in tournament.

I meant if he says he won't be here after the next deal, we'd likely need to move him before the last year of his contract to get the most value, so 5ish years.

[Natston]

to be fair, turner is better than either sabonis or dipo right now, and is more clutch than PG if nothing else

On his best nights, Domantas Sabonis is the Softner of the West…

[712Jefferson]

That’s the innocence every player got until they have to deal with the same bs for many years.

PG, Dipo and Sabonis got tired of the bs

Can't argue with the Paul George reference because Bird made some terrible free agent decisions after the ECF core fell apart. You give Victor WAY too much credit though. That guy made his own bed with poor decision after poor decision. And, regarding Domas, the likely biggest factor was his choice of spouse but even then it's a stretch. He was pretty much a model citizen, afaik, and has never spoken poorly of the franchise publicly.

[pogi]

I'm in the opinion that if we don't, at least, make it to the Eastern Conference finals during his current contract, there's a good chance he may pull the "trade me" card.

[Nuntius]

I might just be chomping down on the bait here, but are there people that seriously think Turner is better? There certainly aren’t outside PD

I don't think that there are any people believing that inside PD either. They are just paying V with his own medicine.

[Nuntius]

Now, about the question at hand, I think that it is way too early to worry about any of that. I understand that there is this need to compare past situations with current ones but I don't think that the context is similar in any way.

PG left after Bird mismanaged our ECF teams. How that mismanagement happened may vary on one's opinion (I'm of the opinion that he broke up the core way too early, others believe that he broke up that core way too late) but the result remains the same. It is important to note here that PG and Bird also clashed personally (remember Bird telling PG that "he's not the one making decisions around here" and all that crap?) so it's possible that PG's decision to leave was also impacted by the **** poor ways that Bird treated the people he worked with.

Dipo's case was not similar to PG either. I think that there are still a number of things that we don't know about what happened back then. What we do know is that Dipo was not the same after the injury and that something with the team fractured during that time. It sucks that it turned out that way but it also doesn't strike me as something that indicates a pattern.

As for Domas, the situation just isn't comparable to the other two. Domas didn't leave. He just got traded. He never soured on the team nor did he want out. The most we've heard is that his wife preferred to live in LA. That's it. No indication of unhappiness or that the team did anything to rub him the wrong way. So, yeah, I cannot compare Domas' situation to PG and Dipo. It's apples and oranges.

The way to keep Haliburton or any other star-level player is for the team to be highly successful. That's what good players want. A team that allows them to compete at the highest level. And there's a number of ways that one can try in order to build that team.

The draft is certainly a great way to do that and we already had a great year there. Personally, I want us to have one more year with a good lottery pick and I'm hoping that this skid without Hali will allow us to get a good pick this year. After that year, we can keep winning more earnestly. It's important to note here that the core members of this team (Hali, Mathurin, Nembhard, I'm gonna throw in Nesmith in here as well) are all young and still have a lot of room to develop. So, internal development is also gonna play a role in how good this team ultimately ends up being. Then there are obviously FA signings and trades that can strengthen the team at key spots.

For a highly successful team, you usually need a good mix of all of the above. You need to draft well, you need good internal development and you need to make these key FA signings/trades. That's how we build our ECF teams back in 2012-13 and that's how we're gonna build this team with Haliburton as well. It won't happen overnight, as team building never happens overnight (just ask Brooklyn) but I'm very confident that we'll get there.

[pizza guy]

The answer, imo, is three parts.
1. Pay him lots of money.
2. Build a winning team that competes for a title.
3. At some point, Haliburton's personality and talent is going to lead to an opportunity to bring in a big fish and we HAVE to capitalize.

I'm not big on players running the show, but your big time franchise guy just has to be involved in the plan these days.