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You guys know what I think about gambling/pro sports. I will always believe what I believe, I don't care anymore though. I'm back to enjoying sports just for the fun of it.Comment
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I think there is. Football grew in popularity exponentially more than basketball over the same time. He was lucky as he was in charge when sports were booming, cable sports and general TV accessibility to games massively increased, Europe embraced the game, and he had some amazing stars and storylines. I've always been of the opinion that any idiot with Pulse could have done just as good a job.Danger ZoneComment
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Thank you so much Peck for making this thread. I sat down earlier this morning and watched the special. A few thoughts I had:
1. I would love to have a conversation with the folks who said there is zero way a NBA referee could alter a NBA game and not get noticed. I said back then I think referees had a lot more power than folks realized; more importantly, ignoring the human factor of grudges, etc, I believe they are instructed certain things. Do I believe they were told to make the LAL-SAC series go 7 games? I honestly donโt know. Do I think games where referees got revenge (was it the Allen Iverson example in the special) happened more than folks thought? I honestly do.
1B. I could not help but laugh out loud when the admission was made of star treatment. The spin move travel on Jordan (that is a travel but they donโt want you to call that on Jordan) and there were other references throughout of not having stars foul out, not be available, etc after fans paid thousands for a ticket
2. We will never know but it sure as
seems like this could have run deeper than just Timmy D
3. I will forever believe the NBA knew more than they admitted and I still believe that
4. While not important I found it weird how his wife talked about finding that wad of money when she did laundry. I personally (not that it matters) believe she knew more about what was happening
4A. We will never know but the elephant in the room is did Timmy alter games or did he just use inside information to pick winners. Only Timmy D will know but I am torn on if he made calls to alter games - and how deep the mob ties really went
4B. I donโt know why but that last segment seemed weird to me. I donโt believe for a second that is all the money he made. The fact he answered the way he did (I donโt remember the question, or maybe I didnโt understand it) and then had the same awkward answer.
5. It was interesting how the one guy who didnโt take the plea deal said he wanted to go to trial and wanted to call every NBA referee to the stand. What was it, the next day, and all but one of the charges were dropped
Lastly, it was fascinating how the media leak happened when it did. We will never have any proof but I truly believe the NBA leaked the story; it would have been interesting to see what would have come to light if Timmy D wore a wireLast edited by vapacersfan; 09-06-2022, 11:31 AM.Comment
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Pre-Stern NBA (late 70s to early 80s) wasn't even getting live TV broadcasts and teams were constantly at risk of folding. Stern is as shady as a bussinessman as they come, but he knew how to makret the league's starts. The NBA is #2 sport after NFL (#3 if you want to count CFB) largely because of him. Pre stern, it was maaaaaybe 4 after MLB and probably NHL.
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Well, O'Brien didn't care at all what happened to the league. Coke at halftime - sure. Finals broadcast after the 11:00 news ?? Sure - nobody is watching these guys anyway.
Stern, Bird & Magic came along and the cash machine started. Stern certainly wouldn't get in the way of the owners making al that money and then eventually the players cashing in. Money sure has its way of glazing over 'problems'. Things happened (and probably still do) that we're just not aware of and will never know of. This - the Donaghy thing - got out and it was just a cover it up at all costs thing for Stern and get back to normal as soon as possible with as little impact on the cash flow as possible. Mission accomplished. So - watch with a jaded eye.Comment
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I always think this is overblown. NBA finals share and viewership was more in 1983 (pre-Stern) than in any of his last 15 years as commissioner (1999-2014). He took over a goldmine of marketable players in Bird, Magic, and Jordan, and had no plan B when they retired. Probably because of everything discussed in this thread, including purposeful refing bias towards stars.
More than this though, basketball was setup to succeed compared to any other major sport due to its accessibility. Baseball, football, and hockey all require special equipment and fields to play on. Basketball is the only urban sport due to the limited space required by the court and it's lack of financial restraints. Basketball should have exploded during the 80s and 90s because it is the only major urban sport.Danger ZoneComment
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My take is that blatant incidents of corruption happen from time to time, i.e. Donaghy. But they are likely not systemic, as the number of serious competitors involved would scream to high heaven. However, human nature being what it is, veiled "suggestions" from up top to let stars succeed, and other such things, probably do make their impact. I read somewhere that refs are very adept at helping a team way behind to catch up. Yes, this helps ratings and viewership, but it is also human nature to seek a balance and help the underdog.
Some corruption, not systemic. But it could go that way without a lot of vigilance. And in this day and age of massive betting, I'm not sure how well the future bodes."Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." โKevin Pritchard press conference
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I watched the entire documentary yesterday, very interesting -Thanks for the heads up!
My takeaways:
Tim is a LIAR! I didnt get a sense of him being honest at all!, On the other hand I though Batista was honest, at least much more than Tim
I do believe though that the NBA does encourage superstars/teams to make to the finals and encourages 7 game series if possible
Never knew David Stern had that much power.....outside of the NBA
NBA is a liar just like every major corporation...I loved how every time the documentary reached out to the NBA, they conveniently denied everything
PS... Reggie should have got that call against Olajuwon.
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Also I think Adam Silver is light years ahead of Stern in terms of relatability, ethics and morals
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tape delay stopped 2 years before Stern took over. The NBA was already on a popularity upswing, in large part due to Bird and Magic. The 1984 championship has the best ratings in NBA history, and Stern had only been Commish for a few months. Stern had nothing to do with that.Danger ZoneComment
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