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  • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

    Sabonis also plays 6 more minutes a game.
    Per 36 for both players
    Sabo - 20.3 points 12 rebounds 6.7 assist 1.2 steals 0.5 blocks
    Joel - 33.3 points 12.2 rebounds 3.3 assist 1.1 steals 1.6 blocks plus Joel shot 38 percent for three and 85% from the free throw line. Sabo has a better 2 point field goal % but it’s 58-54% between the two.
    Exactly my point boffo.

    Embiid's numbers are higher ONLY bc his usage rate is through the roof. He's a worse shooter. He shoots 3x as many FTs as Sabonis.

    Embiid had t highest ,3pt % of his career last year but it's a major, major outlier as without that his avg lifetime is closer to 30%. Over his career Embiid is below avg from both 2 & 3pt territory, a high volume/low efficiency shooter on the level of a Russell Westbrook.

    If Sabonis' usage rate (21%) matches Embiid's (35%), he scores more than Embiid. That's a glaring red flag.
    Last edited by OneMoreYear; 08-06-2021, 07:03 PM.

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    • Originally posted by OneMoreYear View Post

      Exactly my point boffo.

      Embiid's numbers are higher ONLY bc his usage rate is through the roof. He's a worse shooter. He shoots 3x as many FTs as Sabonis.

      Embiid had t highest ,3pt % of his career last year but it's a major, major outlier as without that his avg lifetime is closer to 30%. Over his career Embiid is below avg from both 2 & 3pt territory, a high volume/low efficiency shooter on the level of a Russell Westbrook.

      If Sabonis' usage rate (21%) matches Embiid's (35%), he scores more than Embiid. That's a glaring red flag.
      Embiid has a higher usage rate because he can create and score more on offense. He’s a 3 level scorer. This is like saying if TJ Warren had the same usage rating as KD he will score more.

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      • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

        Embiid has a higher usage rate because he can create and score more on offense. He’s a 3 level scorer. This is like saying if TJ Warren had the same usage rating as KD he will score more.
        Oh you just keep making this easy for me don't you.

        KD is actually an efficient player whose long-term efficiency blows Embiid out of the water lol. If you have Warren the same usage, he still wouldn't exceed KD's scoring so no (~24ppg) he wouldn't. Nice try.

        Also, in addition to having a usage rate of 30%, KD still manages to provide 6apg which gives him added value as opposed to Embiid's 3apg. KD does more, on less. Embiid's usage rate is far higher than KD... so ya gonna tell me you think Embiid is better offensively than KD? Didn't think so.

        Embiid is in "chucker" territory in line with Westbrook.

        Embiid has e highest usage rate in the NBA. Do you really think that makes him the best scorer? Hint: he's not.

        Westbrook had a usage rate over 40% a couple of years ago. Does that make him the most talented scorer in the NBA? I think we'd all recognize guys like Curry take far better advantage of their opportunities.

        Having the highest usage rate doesn't make a player "the best scorer" lol.

        ****

        Here's a bonus:

        It's not good when you're the highest usage player in the league...

        ... And almost 9 ppg behind the 2021 league scoring leader. Oh the truth hurts!

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        Embiid is the definition of high volume, he only gets those numbers bc he's high volume. The end. Bye bye.
        Last edited by OneMoreYear; 08-06-2021, 08:03 PM.

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        • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

          Made it to the second round without Murry and Porter Jr with a messed up back, Gordon was huge overall against the Trail Blazers.


          Nerds can put their calculators down because I don't care about the PPP, AAA, EEE numbers of Gordon against Portland so don't bother
          Gordon played his role in the Portland series. He was a guy. You could've put a wide variety of guys next to Jokic, and they advance. I'm not sure how you watched the series and felt Gordon did much to replace Murray. Porter Jr played great lol

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          • Originally posted by Ichi View Post

            Gordon played his role in the Portland series. He was a guy. You could've put a wide variety of guys next to Jokic, and they advance. I'm not sure how you watched the series and felt Gordon did much to replace Murray. Porter Jr played great lol
            His D on Lillard/McCallum got them to the second round and that is a fact.
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            • Originally posted by OneMoreYear View Post

              Oh...yeah. Range. Because shooting 32.9% from 3 for his career is soooo much better lol.

              Rather over Embiid. Even when he's on the floor and not injured, he's overhyped.

              Consider Embiid takes twice as many FTs as Sabonis despite their birth playing heavy minutes in the paint, that alone accounts for a roughly 6pt difference in scoring, Sabonis grabs 2 more rebounds per game, better overall shooting, three times Embiid's assists per game and takes less shots per game. Embiid has one of the highest usage rates in the game, in only over 30mpg at that, and had missed nearly a third of his games since 2016.

              At his current rates, if Sabonis took as many shots as Embiid & took as many FTs, statistically he'd exceed Embiid's scoring.

              No, he's not the level of defender Embiid is and never will be, but he stays on the floor far more dependably.

              And for this we love to dump on Sabonis. I don't get it.
              Kinda funny you used most recent 3pt % when talking about spacing in another thread, and in this one ignore that Embiid shot 37% from deep last year (you know, his close to MVP season) and 39% from deep in the playoffs, and Simmons still managed to F it up. Anyway, Simmons' lack of offensive ability in half court is the main reason Embiid has to float around and take those dumb shots in past seasons anywau, and him and other teammates have hinted on it before. Domas has shown that he's more okay taking those shots, but has a long way to go before being a threat I think. Maybe not though, if he can tweak his shot some, it might be pretty nice. He does have great touch, though he isn't a very good FT shooter.

              Something else I will never understand: people that see FGA inside, and think they mean they should have the same rate of fouls drawn. If you don't think Embiid and Sabonis get played much differently in the paint, then there is no conversation to have.

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              • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                His D on Lillard/McCallum got them to the second round and that is a fact.
                Lillard had an insane playoff series either way, though he did have a couple meh games too.

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                • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                  Embiid has a higher usage rate because he can create and score more on offense. He’s a 3 level scorer. This is like saying if TJ Warren had the same usage rating as KD he will score more.
                  Honestly, TJ probably wouldn't even need to have the same usage rate as Durant to score as much or more than Durant. That wouldn't mean TJ is better or even as good as Durant, though, as Durant effects that game in many more ways than TJ is capable of. This is most obvious when you look at their assist numbers, Durant is usually around 5 apg while TJ is like 1.5. TJ is just really good at one thing, and could potentially match Durant in that one thing, but to be on Durant's level you need to be good at more than a one trick pony.

                  As for Domas vs Embiid, if you points produced (i.e. points scored + assists) Domas is actually more productive. Assuming each assist is worth 2.3 points, Domas on average contributed 35.71ppg to Embiids 34.94ppg. So it is arguable that Domas is already a more effective offensive player than Embiid if you are not looking purely at raw points scored. The real difference here is that Embiid draws many more fouls, partially because he shoots more, but also mostly because NBA refs are very gullible.
                  Last edited by Eleazar; 08-06-2021, 08:40 PM.

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                  • Embiid isn't a chucker. He's actually a significantly better shooter than Domas, if we're going by the most recent season we've had, and the mid range difference between them last season was too embarrassing for me to post. Sabonis is also assisted far more, meaning that he isn't able/asked to create his own as much.

                    I've had enough Joel Embiid talk for the day. He's better tham Sabonis on offense, but still F him and the 6ers. F Ben Simmons too. I hate Philly, and hope we can still get Thybulle over here soon enough so that he forgets all the darkness he's learned in that dump of a city.

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                    • Originally posted by Ichi View Post
                      Something else I will never understand: people that see FGA inside, and think they mean they should have the same rate of fouls drawn. If you don't think Embiid and Sabonis get played much differently in the paint, then there is no conversation to have.
                      If true, then maybe teams need to rethink how they play Domas in the paint.
                      Paint Touches FGM FGA FG% Points
                      Embiid 5.3 1.7 2.8 62% 5.5
                      Sabonis 9.0 3.3 4.8 69% 8.2
                      To be honest, I'm not sure how points are calculated. NBA stats also has a Points in the Paint stat which has Embiid at 10.3 and Domas at 13.0.

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                      • Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                        If true, then maybe teams need to rethink how they play Domas in the paint.
                        Paint Touches FGM FGA FG% Points
                        Embiid 5.3 1.7 2.8 62% 5.5
                        Sabonis 9.0 3.3 4.8 69% 8.2
                        To be honest, I'm not sure how points are calculated. NBA stats also has a Points in the Paint stat which has Embiid at 10.3 and Domas at 13.0.
                        Again, all points are not alike. Sabonis gets more of his points assisted. We've seen Sabonis get his fair share of double teams inside, but Embiid gets them 15 feet out. I'm not arguing Sabonis vs. Embiid on offense anymore. Sabonis is a much much better passer, and is more deliberate in his actual playmaking, and that's it. By the way, this isn't a slight. Embiid is the most dominant two way big man in the NBA, when available.

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                        • https://www.inquisitr.com/6494723/nb...three-team-blo

                          Sorry if this has already been discussed. But, this article suggest the Pacers be involved as the 3rd team sending Simmons to GS.

                          Pacers sending out Justin Holiday to GS Brogdon and Warren and I believe a 1st to Philly.
                          Pacers receive Wiseman, Wiggins and Moody.

                          Not sure what the Pacers would do with 5 Bigs lol, but would consider it.
                          Last edited by rimrattler; 08-07-2021, 03:10 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by rimrattler View Post
                            https://www.inquisitr.com/6494723/nb...three-team-blo

                            Sorry of this has already been discussed. But, this article suggest the Pacers be involved as the 3rd team sending Simmons to GS.

                            Pacers sending out Justin Holiday to GS Brogdon and Warren and I believe a 1st to Philly.
                            Pacers receive Wiseman, Wiggins and Moody.

                            Not sure what the Pacers would do with 5 Bigs lol, but would consider it.
                            I'd rather do something like this than acquire Simmons. Swap Wiseman with Kumgina though.

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                            • Originally posted by croz24 View Post

                              I'd rather do something like this than acquire Simmons. Swap Wiseman with Kumgina though.
                              One would think the Warriors may prefer Wiseman too in that scenario. Maybe, if they're crazy about fit, they'd even prefer to keep Moody over both young guys.

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                              • I don’t need Wiseman in my life
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