The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #16
    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

    He was. My memory of watching Roger Brown is that he was hitting buckets from all over the floor. I only went to a few games as a young child but what struck me is that the small guy (Raja) looked to be dominating rather than the giant guys. I was confused because guys like Mel Daniels were quite good but were not doing most of the scoring. I guess I didn't understand much at the time and just expected the tall guys to be the best.
    You have the same vision I had as a kid watching Chamberlain vs Alcindor. I was also intrigued by Wes Unseld and Elvin Hayes.


    • #17
      Originally posted by owl View Post

      You have the same vision I had as a kid watching Chamberlain vs Alcindor. I was also intrigued by Wes Unseld and Elvin Hayes.
      Never saw Chamberlain play live. I did see him as a much older player live several times. I used to love watching Unseld and Hayes play. Those Bullets teams were fun to watch IMO. I also loved Bobby Dandridge and was thrilled when we traded for Phil Chanier.

      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13


      • #18
        Early 80s, Clark Kellogg with a tip-in at the buzzer to beat the Bird led Celtics. 90% of the crowd in MSA were Celtic fans and they were almost as mouthy as Bulls fans (the worst). Biggest grin I've ever had. Side note, most times I have come close to getting in a fight? Almost every Bulls game. Finally forced myself not to attend to keep out of trouble. Yes I am serious.
        You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....


        • #19
          I'll go with 8 points in 9 seconds, but especially Reggie's interview just afterward. They had basically just lost this Game 1 to the Knicks, gotten outplayed, except for some miraculous, acrobatic ending by Reggie. He then tells the reporter: "We feel we can sweep this team." Totally straight-faced.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


          • #20
            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
            I'll go with 8 points in 9 seconds, but especially Reggie's interview just afterward. They had basically just lost this Game 1 to the Knicks, gotten outplayed, except for some miraculous, acrobatic ending by Reggie. He then tells the reporter: "We feel we can sweep this team." Totally straight-faced.
            But did you see Derrick McKey make that pass to Reggie Miller? He threw it over Scottie Pippen. Perfect pass to Miller.


            • #21
              It's hard because so many of the great NBA Pacer moments ended up happening in the context of a great series where the Pacers lost in 7 games.

              1. I'd have to go with the 25 point 4th quarter in game 5 of the 94 Knick's series. The 7th game in that series was uber physical & competitive and a great watch.

              2. would be games 3 & 4 against the Bulls in the 98 ECF. So much going on in those games. Reggie hobbling around and burying late 3's, McKey asking Pippen on a late free throw attempt if he delivers on Sunday (Scottie misses), the Miller push off game 4 dagger.

              Game 6 in the 98 ECF was awesome as well. Who would have thought Jordan's inability to stay in front of Travis Best would be a key turning point in that game?

              Game 7 was competitive but just never felt good about how the team closed that game. The complete collapse in defensive rebounding in the final 5-minutes still haunts me. Pacers played so efficiently on offense, competed on defense but in the end could not close out stops with a simple rebound. Extra possessions matter so much late in playoff games and it was that teams undoing.


              • #22
                Originally posted by DeS View Post

                Simply - it was a game which turned me into pacers fan.
                Friends invited me into NBA playoffs night party. Most of them were Jordan fans and i didn't had an opinion of whom to support as i was not an NBA fan.
                I tried to refuse as i had some ****** exam (concurrent programming) tomorrow and i had to prepare.
                But due to my weak will i decided to go for one hour.
                In the beginning it was fun because of the party, later some friends left, some friends fell asleep in a place and i left alone awake.
                And i couldn't help myself and leave - the game was so cool, so intense, so heroic. It felt like Indiana team are underdogs and i wanted them to win so badly.
                It ended around 7 o'clock in a morning (how - you see in video).
                I went directly to exam from that party. And what a fate - the exam was postponed because the lecturer for whatever reason couldn't come to exam
                From that time i saw hundreds of games if not more, but that game still in my memory.
                That's an awesome story!


                • #23
                  Pacers fan since ABA days, but I’m going to go with the best game I saw in person (no pun intended as you see later).

                  It was May 3, 1991, game 4 of Pacers vs Celtics at MSA. If you were there, you wouldn’t forget it. Behind arguably the loudest crowd in Pacers history, we came back with 13 straight points within 3 minutes in the 4th quarter to beat the Larry Bird led Celtics 116-113. Chuck Person had a crucial steal then stop and pop 3 pointer (at the old 3 point distance) when he could have easily gotten a layup that nearly blew the roof off MSA. (Way before this became so common.)

                  Afterwards, many players and announcers said that it was the loudest crowd they ever heard. We simply would not let them lose. I remember spilling into downtown Indy after the game with everyone still yelling (though very hoarse) like we had won the finals. Alas, we lost the next and final game 5 of the series in Boston. Nonetheless, I left that evening with my favorite Pacers game memory because I truly felt part of it.

                  Side note; Micheal Williams had a double double; he was a pretty good point guard in the height of his short career.


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Peck View Post

                    I know that this wasn't as dramatic as some other game winners and it certainly didn't have the built up playoff hype of the Reggie vs Knicks stuff. But for me this was the moment we went from being a mediocre team who was always just first round fodder to a team that could win a playoff series, in fact that very year we went to ECF finals. That was the moment right there that propelled those 90's teams and a lot of what if's come from that game. What if he missed? Would those 90's teams have been as good? Would we have won that series? Would Shaq not have lost confidence?

                    But he hit it and the rest is Pacers history.
                    Thanks Peck.

                    I don't think anyone younger than maybe 40 years old really understands what being a Pacers fan was like in the 1980's and early 90's. In the 80's we were not worried about making the playoffs, we were worried about whether there would be a Pacers team in Indiana. We were worried about whether the team was going to fold, worried about the the next horrible money saving trade - there was a time in the 80's when trades were made only to save money. Attendance of 6,000 was a nice crowd. Sure things got better when Simon's bough the team, but the NBA Pacers had never won a playoff series until 1994 - until 1990 the NBA Pacers had only made the playoffs twice in 12 years? We had back to back 20 wins, 22 wins and 20 win seasons.

                    Wayman Tisdale was thought to the the savior. We lost out on the top players.

                    I had followed the Pacers for about 16 years before they won their first playoff series.

                    The 1994 season - Larry Brown as coach, first playoff series win - that will always be the most memorable season and playoffs for me. The idea of the Pacers making it to the ECF was not possible. It was a dream.

                    Fans who didn't live through the 1980's will never fully understand.


                    • #25
                      Game 1 of the second round, Pacers at Hawks, May 10, 1994. I was living in Atlanta and a work colleague offered me tickets for the game. I thought my wife would not want to go, as she hated when I watched games on TV, but she wanted to go (turns out she just hated the sound of the squeaky shoes).

                      That was the game in which my love for the Pacers infected her. Following the Pacers led directly to moving back to Indiana and having season tickets since we got back.

                      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


                      • #26
                        If folks don't remember THE CURTAIN at MSA, they don't know about the rough times.


                        • #27
                          Off the top of my head from oldest to most recent in my lifetime
                          Chuck person and Larry Bird going back to back in the playoffs
                          Reggie Miller the three he hit on John Starks when he had 25 in the third quarter
                          The Reggie play where he hid the three stole the inbound pass step back and hit another three
                          The Travis best corner 3 to beat Milwaukee in a seven-game series
                          The PG 3-pointer to force overtime against the heat in game 1
                          The bogey 3-pointer from way deep game 6 against the Cavs or was it game 5
                          Sittin on top of the world!


                          • #28
                            A couple Pacers games coming up on NBA TV.

                            Friday 3/20 2 pm : Knicks/Pacers, 1993 Eastern Conference 1st Round - Game 4
                            Friday 3/20 6 pm : Knicks/Pacers, 1994 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 6



                            • #29
                              The Reggie push off against Jordan. That's my earliest specific memory. I remember young me having the chills on that one.

                              And on a different angle...I was so damn proud of Danny Granger when the dude busted out his front teeth...and smiled. It was a bad era for us... but that dude was tough
                              Last edited by Ozwalt72; 03-19-2020, 04:39 AM.
                              "man, PG has been really good."


                              • #30
                                Reggie hitting that 3 G1 vs the Nets in 02 was pretty nuts.