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Post game #19 Pacers vs Sixers

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  • #91
    Whatever is going on in Myles's head is officially concerning.

    Warren's pass was bone headed.


    This team is very talented.


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    • #92
      Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
      TJW is so suspect in crunch time. I mean we had the lead and dude just throws it away. Should have won that game!
      Just a case of a guy trying to be too much of a team player. He calls his own number and misses a shot badly there and none of us say peep, which is what he should have done. He just over thought it. We have to remember these are the first meaningful minutes this guy has actually played in the NBA. He's been wasting away in PHX.


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      • #93
        Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post

        Tbh I think that's just kinda how TJ Warren plays. His movement looks labored out there MOST of the time.
        Warren reminds me so much of Granger at times it's crazy.


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        • #94
          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post

          Excellent point. I forget which game it was, but there was a game when Nate did exactly that, pt in another ballhandler. Problem is who - me personally I don't want Aaron Holiday in the game late if it's close. Justin Holiday is fine, but he isn't really a ballhander. McConnell makes the most sense, but his lack of long range shooting makes it difficult.

          IMO I don't think there is a good overall solution - against good teams we will continue to struggle to score late in close games until Vic comes back.

          Warren has played great IMO, but I don't have a lot of confidence in him creating a shot late in a close game. He is fine if another player creates and Warren can finish or he is OK at creating something after a teammate has helped shift the defense.
          I think Warren is the guy I would move to the bench when Vic returns and/or if we find another ball handler to put along side of Brogdan. The reason being is that Warren can play the 3 or 4. Right now we are looking at Myles and Domas as our staring bigs. Goga is getting some limited time off the bench. The only other player with any size is Leaf and he has been unimpressive. Brining Warren off the bench to play some 4 as well as 3, in my opinion, would help the bench. Lamb has enough length to start at the 3 for us.

          I would not star Justin at the 2 simply because he is basically the same type of ball handler as Lamb. Our options, in my opinion, would be Aaron or McConnell. Personally I like McConnell coming off the bench, besides Aaron is more of a 2 than a 1. I'd start Aaron and see who is playing well together when it comes to the end of the game.

          When Sumner or Vic returns, either one can help Brogdan with ball handling duties. Hopefully at least one of those guys will be back in the next couple of weeks.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
            Also, another 5-10 minutes of Goga may have kept Domas out of serious foul trouble.
            Goga has looked pretty bad the past coupel games. We can't rely on him to give us 10-15 minutes against the best center in the NBA. That's not even close to realistic, IMO.


            Myles just has to play better or the Pacers guards have to significantly out distance the Philly guards, the second one might have happened last night with a healthy Oladipo or a more seasoned TJ Warren.

            Myles is still extremely movable because of his contract, but you have to bring some kind of rim protection back in the deal. You're not slowing down any skilled big man one on one in the post regardless of how good of a defender you are, so that part isn't concerning, but the Pacers will need an experienced shot blocking presence somewhere on the roster if they end up moving Myles.


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            • #96
              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              A couple of things

              Teams are finding success by double teaming Brogdon - The Hawks did it and the Sixers and a few other teams - so expect to see more of that especially late in close games. Plus Brogdon is not a player who is good enough one-on-one to be "the go to guy" late in close games against good defensive teams. Ideally when Vic comes back, he can be the go to guy. Don't get me wrong, not being critical of Brog - at all, I love having him on our team and I love watching him play.

              Warren - I worry that he gets tunnel vision when he takes the ball to the basket. I'm sure teams are noticing that and expect hard double teams when he get near the lane on important possessions.

              Overall though I think the Pacers performance except the last 2 or 3 minutes was impressive - showed toughness.
              A Nate McMillan coached team struggling to solve a simple double team against his lead guard? I am shocked to say the least.


              I am very positive overall, but there are still some concering things that the Pacers did in this game that have been issues for most of the McMillan era.

              Let's just run down the list:

              1.) Issues solving a defense designed to take the ball out of your lead guard's hands, check

              2.) Myles disappearing in a big game, check

              3.) Domas struggling to stay out of foul trouble in a big game, check

              4.) The Pacers scoring small forward making a bone headed play late in the game, check

              5.) Nate's inability to run anything even slightly resembling a competent inbounds play, check


              Look Vic can come back and if he's 80% of himself by the end of the season he should be able to help with at least two of those (1, 4), but ultimately Myles has to either start playing better in these games or Domas has to value himself on the court more and avoid the foul trouble, and finally we just have to hope Nate doesn't have to call timeouts because honestly it's been a disaster zone for most of his tenure as head coach.
              Last edited by Trader Joe; 12-02-2019, 12:12 PM.


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              • #97
                Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post

                Goga has looked pretty bad the past coupel games. We can't rely on him to give us 15-20 minutes against the best center in the NBA. That's not even close to realistic.


                Myles just has to play better or the Pacers guards have to significantly out distance the Philly guards, the second one might have happened last night with a healthy Oladipo or a more seasoned TJ Warren.
                I am a big Myles fan but the mental game that he is going through needs to stop. Man up and get angry and get physical. If you are going to get a foul anyway with Embiid really make it count.
                If he cannot figure that out then he will be sitting on the bench or moved.
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by owl View Post

                  I am a big Myles fan but the mental game that he is going through needs to stop. Man up and get angry and get physical. If you are going to get a foul anyway with Embiid really make it count.
                  If he cannot figure that out then he will be sitting on the bench or moved.
                  I respect any sort of mental struggles and I do think Myles was put in a bad position when the team basically anointed him the savior immediately after the PG trade. That was a mistake and a PR bumble, and Myles was even getting the last announcement in the starting lineups the first game or 2 that season, he was to be the "star". Then he got hurt, Vic hit the game winner against San Antonio, followed up the now iconic "This is my city" point and celebration with the fans and the rest was history.

                  The Pacers were silly for not seeing immediately as soon as they brought in Oladipo that this would be his team, an IU superstar, an overwhelming personality, there was no other way that was going to play out. You add Sabonis's ascent and the addition of Brogdon. Myles is a forgotten man now, he's the 4th best player on the team (at best) and he's not a stupid person, I'm sure he sees that. That's a lot to deal with when you're 23-24 years old, just being honest. How many of us would have been equipped to handle the same in our work place situation at the same age? Not many. I get that Myles is paid big money, but that only gets you so far mentally.

                  I think Myles is probably a pretty thoughtful, empathetic person. His Dad is legitimately one of the nicest, most genuine people you'll ever meet. Long story short, Myles may just need a change of scenery at this point. It's like a relationship gone bad, where just getting out of it might be best for both of you and honestly will end up with the least amount of ill will.


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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post

                    Goga has looked pretty bad the past coupel games. We can't rely on him to give us 10-15 minutes against the best center in the NBA. That's not even close to realistic, IMO.
                    Several good posts in a row.

                    On this point, however, you are likely correct. But I would at least liked to have seen Goga go up mano el mano on Embiid a couple times to really know for sure. He never really got an opportunity. The kid has had some impressive moments so far this season.
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                    • Myles will redeem himself. Perhaps not enough to envision him as part of the long term future, but at least enough to increase his value.

                      I am still not convinced that Sabonis is a contending 5, but man hes dominant offensively.


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                      • Originally posted by docpaul View Post

                        Name me a center that guards Embiid well. I’ll be waiting.


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                        Jokic played Embiid pretty well earlier this season. Another player who Turner has had trouble with. My problem with Turner's defense is that he needs to give up the basket sometimes. Play straight up, if his man scores he scores.

                        He takes himself out with silly fouls.

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                        • Originally posted by docpaul View Post

                          Name me a center that guards Embiid well. I’ll be waiting.


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                          Marc Gasol.

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                          • Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post

                            I respect any sort of mental struggles and I do think Myles was put in a bad position when the team basically anointed him the savior immediately after the PG trade. That was a mistake and a PR bumble, and Myles was even getting the last announcement in the starting lineups the first game or 2 that season, he was to be the "star". Then he got hurt, Vic hit the game winner against San Antonio, followed up the now iconic "This is my city" point and celebration with the fans and the rest was history.

                            The Pacers were silly for not seeing immediately as soon as they brought in Oladipo that this would be his team, an IU superstar, an overwhelming personality, there was no other way that was going to play out. You add Sabonis's ascent and the addition of Brogdon. Myles is a forgotten man now, he's the 4th best player on the team (at best) and he's not a stupid person, I'm sure he sees that. That's a lot to deal with when you're 23-24 years old, just being honest. How many of us would have been equipped to handle the same in our work place situation at the same age? Not many. I get that Myles is paid big money, but that only gets you so far mentally.

                            I think Myles is probably a pretty thoughtful, empathetic person. His Dad is legitimately one of the nicest, most genuine people you'll ever meet. Long story short, Myles may just need a change of scenery at this point. It's like a relationship gone bad, where just getting out of it might be best for both of you and honestly will end up with the least amount of ill will.
                            He could look good in Atlanta imagine him receiving open passes from Trae Young and letting it fly in their offense.

                            They need a rim protector bad as well, I was Myles team and I’m pushing for Atlanta ASAP.
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                            • Embiid has destroyed Steven Adams, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Gobert already this season even worse than Myles Turner's matchup with him. It looks like Gasol is the only player in the whole league who can guard Embiid. Defensively Myles did as well as anyone would expect vs Embiid , he just couldn't hit shots. It happens. Shooting slumps happen and I hope he realizes it too.

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                              • Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post
                                Embiid has destroyed Steven Adams, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Gobert already this season even worse than Myles Turner's matchup with him. It looks like Gasol is the only player in the whole league who can guard Embiid. Defensively Myles did as well as anyone would expect vs Embiid , he just couldn't hit shots. It happens. Shooting slumps happen and I hope he realizes it too.
                                Embid owns Myles this is not a one game thing.
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