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  • #76
    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post

    I don't think it's a myth. There was a significant difference.

    Embiid also went 100 percent from the free throw line. Domas played smart and fouled when he had to. Embiid just converted literally every time in this particular game.
    Yes, there's a big difference. And I remember several times where Domas caused him to miss. He bodied him up and Embiid didn't get through. You all saw this I know.

    Also, Domas fouled out because he, as the POWER FORWARD was asked to do Myles job in this game. If Myles could have done it, we might have won because Domas wouldn't be sitting on the bench at the end of the game. But apparently Domas has to handle both of the hard assignments on offense and defense.

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    • #77
      Also, another 5-10 minutes of Goga may have kept Domas out of serious foul trouble.
      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." óKevin Pritchard press conference

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      • #78
        Originally posted by BillS View Post
        I'll preface this that I couldn't watch the game, so I'm not going to address the "Turner looks lost" or "has no instincts" arguments. He definitely had a bad shooting night, but I'm not going to address that either.

        What I want to address is this idea that Embid owned Turner so bad that Domas had to save us by "manning up".

        I went through the play-by-play and assumed that every time Embid scored while Myles was on the floor it was completely his fault. The only exception was when the score was a FT due to a Domas foul.

        I got 16 points that were due to Myles being "dominated" and 16 points when Domas was either the big on the floor or committing a foul. My margin of error is 2 because the play-by-play failed to note beginning-of-period lineup changes so I may have failed to blame Turner for a shot.

        Although certain people will claim I think this proves Myles was supposedly good, that is not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that Domas was not so superior as for it to have been a no-brainer for him to be on Embid all night while Myles is sent to the G-league.

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        I did watch the game and my recollection is that Domas and Embiid faced off on both offense and defense more than Turner and Embiid. I do not have stats to back that. But as far as I'm concerned, Domas is now a PF and shouldn't have to deal with that assignment. That should be the starting C's role and he was simply not up to it. Had he been able to match up with Embiid (and yes any C will need some help), Domas wouldn't have fouled out. Losing Domas may well have lost the game for us.

        So, it wasn't that Myles was dominated. It's that he didn't do his job and when he tried he didn't get it done.

        Finally, I am absolutely certain that Domas guards him better and that's based on last night's as well of each contest last year. It's not even close. I suppose that's why our PF was guarding their C.

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        • #79
          Lots of positives out of this game. Brogdon held Ben Simmons to only 2 points and 1 assist while guarding him for over 8 minutes (game clock). Justin Holiday looks like a free safety making plays on the ball. This team is legitimately 13 deep. Outside of Embid, the Sixers were neutralized and if Myles had hit just a couple shots he normally makes the Pacers win this without Oladipo.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
            Also, another 5-10 minutes of Goga may have kept Domas out of serious foul trouble.
            I don’t think Goga even had a crack at him in the 5 minutes he was in there. I was looking forward to that matchup

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            • #81
              Nope, never got to cover him.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." óKevin Pritchard press conference

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              • #82
                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                Yes, there's a big difference. And I remember several times where Domas caused him to miss. He bodied him up and Embiid didn't get through. You all saw this I know.

                Also, Domas fouled out because he, as the POWER FORWARD was asked to do Myles job in this game. If Myles could have done it, we might have won because Domas wouldn't be sitting on the bench at the end of the game. But apparently Domas has to handle both of the hard assignments on offense and defense.
                Correct. After quick second foul on Myles, Domas immediately took the right approach defending Embiid. That's why Embiid got frustrated and "unintentional" almost took Domas head of. Second time he was beat by Domas on a drive to the basket, but "gloriously" prevented Domas from an inevitable dunk, sending DoomA$$ to meet spectators with expensive seating. I remember two phantom foul calls on Domas, now I quickly rewatch other Domas offenses in yesterdays game.
                I finally got over after initial disgust of reffing and Embiid's 13 free throw attempt "performance". I already circled in my head the date of the next meeting between Pacers and Sixers - December 31st, last day of 2019 in Indy. Domas family usually comes to spend Christmas and New Year, so Embiid, better behave. Cause in LTU we have a saying: "if we don't get a W on the floor, we'll take a W in the locker-room"
                12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by bball_nomad View Post

                  Correct. After quick second foul on Myles, Domas immediately took the right approach defending Embiid. That's why Embiid got frustrated and "unintentional" almost took Domas head of. Second time he was beat by Domas on a drive to the basket, but "gloriously" prevented Domas from an inevitable dunk, sending DoomA$$ to meet spectators with expensive seating. I remember two phantom foul calls on Domas, now I quickly rewatch other Domas offenses in yesterdays game.
                  I finally got over after initial disgust of reffing and Embiid's 13 free throw attempt "performance". I already circled in my head the date of the next meeting between Pacers and Sixers - December 31st, last day of 2019 in Indy. Domas family usually comes to spend Christmas and New Year, so Embiid, better behave. Cause in LTU we have a saying: "if we don't get a W on the floor, we'll take a W in the locker-room"
                  Embiid should have been ejected. The flagrant 1 IMO was close to a flagrant 2. It was NOT a basketball play but a beating. Then another really hard foul. He doesn't do that to players unless he's frustrated and Domas was a tough out for him. I think if Myles takes off the diaper and shows up for the next game we might win.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                    Embiid should have been ejected. The flagrant 1 IMO was close to a flagrant 2. It was NOT a basketball play but a beating. Then another really hard foul. He doesn't do that to players unless he's frustrated and Domas was a tough out for him. I think if Myles takes off the diaper and shows up for the next game we might win.
                    Yep. First foul was difficult to evaluate for the refs. Still, intentional unnecessary contact was made. But the thing is that it was an elbow landing on a head. Concussion, sprained neck - possibility of some serious injury to a player. And Domas made a classic fake move, lifting him in the air and creating an easy scoring opportunity for himself. Still, home game, Embiid is a super mega pooper star - refs settled for flagrant 1. Second foul - same story. Difficult to evaluate. It was clear as day intentional hard foul, but Domas got lucky and was able to land comfortably. Just a regular foul. What i hated though mostly - Embiids "body language". First time he could have hurt the guy, but he was acting like maybe it was a foul or maybe he was just using the rule of "verticality". Second time, after Domas missed the first free throw, Embiid was encouraging the crowd with his hand for Domas to miss second one too. "Yeah, I'm defensive force, and I sent the dude packing. Glory to me!". Arrogant a-hole.

                    BTW, second foul on Domas was a joke. Guy drove by him for an easy score, Domas just happened to be standing too close.

                    It is obvious right now that at the end of the game, defensively it's Myles or Domas depending on situation. But offensively - Domas has to close the games. Together with Myles or some other line-ups. His floor awareness, time recognition and so on.

                    I just want on December the 31st game between these for the Pacers to get a W something like 124-101. No questions asked. Sixers are due for a good spanking.

                    12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                    Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                    • #85
                      A couple of things

                      Teams are finding success by double teaming Brogdon - The Hawks did it and the Sixers and a few other teams - so expect to see more of that especially late in close games. Plus Brogdon is not a player who is good enough one-on-one to be "the go to guy" late in close games against good defensive teams. Ideally when Vic comes back, he can be the go to guy. Don't get me wrong, not being critical of Brog - at all, I love having him on our team and I love watching him play.

                      Warren - I worry that he gets tunnel vision when he takes the ball to the basket. I'm sure teams are noticing that and expect hard double teams when he get near the lane on important possessions.

                      Overall though I think the Pacers performance except the last 2 or 3 minutes was impressive - showed toughness.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        A couple of things

                        Teams are finding success by double teaming Brogdon - The Hawks did it and the Sixers and a few other teams - so expect to see more of that especially late in close games. Plus Brogdon is not a player who is good enough one-on-one to be "the go to guy" late in close games against good defensive teams. Ideally when Vic comes back, he can be the go to guy. Don't get me wrong, not being critical of Brog - at all, I love having him on our team and I love watching him play.

                        Warren - I worry that he gets tunnel vision when he takes the ball to the basket. I'm sure teams are noticing that and expect hard double teams when he get near the lane on important possessions.

                        Overall though I think the Pacers performance except the last 2 or 3 minutes was impressive - showed toughness.
                        Brogdon is very deliberate on his moves plus he just does not have the quickness to beat double teams. He is very smart though and than helps.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by owl View Post

                          Brogdon is very deliberate on his moves plus he just does not have the quickness to beat double teams. He is very smart though and than helps.
                          Brogdan with Domas and Brogdan without him are two very different offensive players.
                          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." óKevin Pritchard press conference

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                          • #88
                            Teams are figuring out to double team Brogdan to get the ball out of his hands. Lamb is a 2 or 3 so handling the ball is not as natural for him. When Vic returns, it will be a whole new ball game. If teams double Brogdan, then Vic is left 1 on 1 and I doubt teams would like that match up.

                            Until Vic returns, we need to figure out how to help Brogdan. Maybe move Lamb or Warren to the bench, whoever will be going to the bench when Vic returns. Put someone who is a better ball handler next to Brogdan. I don't know the solution, but we need to fix this problem before it gets too bad.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by LilSean320 View Post
                              Iíve been a turner supporter but after this game Iím over him He deserves all the critical from vnzla and others on this board. We havenít seen much improvement from him on the offense end. On defense he is a great shot blocker but heís a horrible man defender. He looked like a kid out there against embiid. His blocks are excellent but his overall defense isnít that great. Reminds me of prime iverson when he lead the league in steals by gambling and playing the passing lanes but he was not a good defender

                              i thought we had a future all star when he put up 30 plus against the gsw. I think that was his rookie year. I donít understand how turner can have great instincts when it comes to blocking shots, but everything else he does looks uncoordinated. There was a time where he was inbouding the ball yesterday and he looked uncoordinated doing that. Itís sad when Jeremy lamb is rebounding better than your 7ft center.

                              I canít defend this guy anymore.
                              Name me a center that guards Embiid well. I’ll be waiting.


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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by sav View Post
                                Teams are figuring out to double team Brogdan to get the ball out of his hands. Lamb is a 2 or 3 so handling the ball is not as natural for him. When Vic returns, it will be a whole new ball game. If teams double Brogdan, then Vic is left 1 on 1 and I doubt teams would like that match up.

                                Until Vic returns, we need to figure out how to help Brogdan. Maybe move Lamb or Warren to the bench, whoever will be going to the bench when Vic returns. Put someone who is a better ball handler next to Brogdan. I don't know the solution, but we need to fix this problem before it gets too bad.
                                Excellent point. I forget which game it was, but there was a game when Nate did exactly that, pt in another ballhandler. Problem is who - me personally I don't want Aaron Holiday in the game late if it's close. Justin Holiday is fine, but he isn't really a ballhander. McConnell makes the most sense, but his lack of long range shooting makes it difficult.

                                IMO I don't think there is a good overall solution - against good teams we will continue to struggle to score late in close games until Vic comes back.

                                Warren has played great IMO, but I don't have a lot of confidence in him creating a shot late in a close game. He is fine if another player creates and Warren can finish or he is OK at creating something after a teammate has helped shift the defense.

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