Announcement

Collapse

The Rules of Pacers Digest

Hello everyone,

Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
See more
See less

How should we finish free agency?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #91
    Originally posted by PetPaima View Post

    I don't think anyone ASSUMES Leaf to be a weak link anymore. He has produced abundant evidence for us to KNOW that he can only be a quality starter in Lebanon or Cyprus. A BUM!!!!
    Young fella just turned 22, he would be starting his senior year if he had stayed in college. I think he has shown enough to not be considered a bum. It seems he will be given a chance to be the backup PF, if he doesn’t do well this year, then he will be gone. We’ll see

    Comment


    • #92
      Originally posted by Larry Staverman View Post
      We currently have 12 guaranteed contracts and Johnson's contract is guaranteed on July 15 which would make 13 guaranteed total.

      According to Pritchard in his interview with Dakich on June 21 at the 7:40 mark he says we are only going to sign 13 guaranteed contracts this year and 2 non guaranteed.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPC7A23BoWs&t=460s
      Thanks for sharing; I hadn't heard that one.

      Maybe we are done???? I'd be ok with it but it feels like we're a player short. I don't know what the team is thinking about Alize either since his guarantee is up, but I'd like to see us give him a try.

      Comment


      • #93
        Originally posted by imawhat View Post

        Thanks for sharing; I hadn't heard that one.

        Maybe we are done???? I'd be ok with it but it feels like we're a player short. I don't know what the team is thinking about Alize either since his guarantee is up, but I'd like to see us give him a try.
        We got enough. They can start Sabonis and Turner but many games we will probably close with Warren at PF.

        Comment


        • #94
          I would like to trade for Andre Iguodala. He's owed $17.2M. If we could manipulate the order in which we sign these players, we could trade McDermott's $7.3M for two years ($14.7M). This actually doesn't hurt Memphis, because their buyout is going to roughly be $14M on his deal anyway. If they spread his deal, they still have a cap hit of $5.7M for three years. They're on the hook for ~$14M in cash regardless. They will actually open up more cap space to add assets at the trade deadline.

          Iguodala could come in and be a combo forward for us and teach our young players about how to defend. He would be a perfect mentor for Lamb and Warren on that side of the ball. He would be a veteran presence that we lost with Thad and Darren. We could resign him for a whole lot less next year to finish out his career as a veteran bench player.

          Vince Carter, from a business standpoint. It will be his retirement tour this year and we will get a lot of money in visitor ticket sales, while getting the benefit of a great veteran presence. The Pacers don't tend to generate as much as other teams from their 50% split of ticket revenue as a road team. Vince Carter would pay for his own salary.

          Pau Gasol would be a great big as our third center on a minimum contract. Veteran presence. Could be signed in conjunction with recruiting Vince. I want to get our young guys in practice court minutes with veterans. Both can retire together.

          Not sure how workable it is, but all of these smaller contracts can be fit within the scope of our Non-Taxpayer MLE.
          Last edited by pacergod2; 07-04-2019, 07:54 PM.
          "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

          Comment


          • #95
            Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
            I would like to trade for Andre Iguodala. He's owed $17.2M. If we could manipulate the order in which we sign these players, we could trade McDermott's $7.3M for two years ($14.7M). This actually doesn't hurt Memphis, because their buyout is going to roughly be $14M on his deal anyway. If they spread his deal, they still have a cap hit of $5.7M for three years. They're on the hook for ~$14M in cash regardless. They will actually open up more cap space to add assets at the trade deadline.

            Iguodala could come in and be a combo forward for us and teach our young players about how to defend. He would be a perfect mentor for Lamb and Warren on that side of the ball. He would be a veteran presence that we lost with Thad and Darren. We could resign him for a whole lot less next year to finish out his career as a veteran bench player.

            Vince Carter, from a business standpoint. It will be his retirement tour this year and we will get a lot of money in visitor ticket sales, while getting the benefit of a great veteran presence. The Pacers don't tend to generate as much as other teams from their 50% split of ticket revenue as a road team. Vince Carter would pay for his own salary.

            Pau Gasol would be a great big as our third center on a minimum contract. Veteran presence. Could be signed in conjunction with recruiting Vince. I want to get our young guys in practice court minutes with veterans. Both can retire together.

            Not sure how workable it is, but all of these smaller contracts can be fit within the scope of our Non-Taxpayer MLE.
            If Victor were healthy I'd be right there with you in wanting Iggy because this team could potentially be one of the top 3 seeds if everybody were healthy and ready to go. But as it is thinking he won't be back till January or so I'm not sure we would be doing Iggy any favors or frankly us any good in bringing him in. But I like the idea more than I don't like it.


            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

            Comment


            • #96
              So the way I see it Brogdon, Turner & Sabonis are all kind of near that All-Star level, do you think any of them can elevate their game to that level?

              Comment


              • #97
                For some reason, whenever I see or think of Iggy, it always reminds me of Danny Granger. I believe they came into the league the same year together (or, at least, no more than a year apart) and they were always in my mind comparable players in terms of their talent ceiling. Danny was the more gifted offensive player and Iggy a bit better defensively, but very similar in terms of their caliber. Just such a shame that he's still going strong in 2019 and Danny is long since an afterthought. Damn injuries..

                Comment


                • #98
                  Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                  I would like to trade for Andre Iguodala. He's owed $17.2M. If we could manipulate the order in which we sign these players, we could trade McDermott's $7.3M for two years ($14.7M). This actually doesn't hurt Memphis, because their buyout is going to roughly be $14M on his deal anyway. If they spread his deal, they still have a cap hit of $5.7M for three years. They're on the hook for ~$14M in cash regardless. They will actually open up more cap space to add assets at the trade deadline.

                  Iguodala could come in and be a combo forward for us and teach our young players about how to defend. He would be a perfect mentor for Lamb and Warren on that side of the ball. He would be a veteran presence that we lost with Thad and Darren. We could resign him for a whole lot less next year to finish out his career as a veteran bench player.

                  Vince Carter, from a business standpoint. It will be his retirement tour this year and we will get a lot of money in visitor ticket sales, while getting the benefit of a great veteran presence. The Pacers don't tend to generate as much as other teams from their 50% split of ticket revenue as a road team. Vince Carter would pay for his own salary.

                  Pau Gasol would be a great big as our third center on a minimum contract. Veteran presence. Could be signed in conjunction with recruiting Vince. I want to get our young guys in practice court minutes with veterans. Both can retire together.

                  Not sure how workable it is, but all of these smaller contracts can be fit within the scope of our Non-Taxpayer MLE.
                  Vince Carter would be awesome just because he's Vince Carter. He's still rotation-worthy as well. But I'd probably have to grab a jersey if he signed here.

                  I actually really like the Pau Gasol idea. I imagine he'd rather sign with someone that has a better shot at a ring, but what a great guy to have practice with Myles and Domas.

                  I don't hate the idea of Iggy, either. Great veteran, champion, and professional with a lot of versatility in what he could bring on the court and in the locker room and practice. Plus, that's a nice expiring contract to have on the books for a number of reasons.

                  Rondae Hollis-Jefferson is the dude I've been hoping for, given his fit with the rest of the team. He'd be a great replacement for Thad on a longer-term deal, as opposed to the 1-year vet minimum guys mentioned above.

                  Whatever happens, I feel like it's going to happen quickly after Kawhi announces his intentions. These guys are probably sitting around waiting like all of us for that news.
                  It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

                  Comment


                  • #99
                    Originally posted by festar35 View Post
                    So the way I see it Brogdon, Turner & Sabonis are all kind of near that All-Star level, do you think any of them can elevate their game to that level?
                    I think the potential is there. If Myles continues to develop, he's definitely knocking on the door. He's gotten a lot of buzz this offseason and I think people around the league have started to take notice. Domas a little less so, but getting the 6th Man nomination definitely helped raise awareness for him. I don't know how much higher his ceiling can get, but there's potential there if the Myles/Domas duo meshes and produces winning results.

                    Brogdon is similar to Domas in this regard. How much higher can his ceiling get? He just posted 50/40/90 and it's gonna be hard to improve upon that. But maybe with Vic out to start this season, Brogdon might have the opportunity to raise his scoring closer to 20ppg. Not predicting that, personally. But if he steps up and carries this team with our bigs, all three of them could have a shot at making the ASG.

                    What I do know is that this team needs another guy at that level. We need another All Star to really round out this roster and be a legitimate threat to the East's best teams. Even if one of those three guys does raise their game to All Star Reserve, I think we'll need one more established star.
                    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by pizza guy View Post

                      I think the potential is there. If Myles continues to develop, he's definitely knocking on the door. He's gotten a lot of buzz this offseason and I think people around the league have started to take notice. Domas a little less so, but getting the 6th Man nomination definitely helped raise awareness for him. I don't know how much higher his ceiling can get, but there's potential there if the Myles/Domas duo meshes and produces winning results.

                      Brogdon is similar to Domas in this regard. How much higher can his ceiling get? He just posted 50/40/90 and it's gonna be hard to improve upon that. But maybe with Vic out to start this season, Brogdon might have the opportunity to raise his scoring closer to 20ppg. Not predicting that, personally. But if he steps up and carries this team with our bigs, all three of them could have a shot at making the ASG.

                      What I do know is that this team needs another guy at that level. We need another All Star to really round out this roster and be a legitimate threat to the East's best teams. Even if one of those three guys does raise their game to All Star Reserve, I think we'll need one more established star.
                      I thought I would never see the day when I would say this, but....

                      We don't need another All-Star level player on this team. I think Indiana just needs to ride this season on the backs of these young players until Vic comes back. Another All-Star level player would stifle the progression of the young players, because that means less touches. At this point, I'm just ready to sink or swim with this team, and just let the chips lay where they fall. We have 3 (maybe 4 if you include Holiday) young players with great potential, and it's just time to see what they can do.


                      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                        I thought I would never see the day when I would say this, but....

                        We don't need another All-Star level player on this team. I think Indiana just needs to ride this season on the backs of these young players until Vic comes back. Another All-Star level player would stifle the progression of the young players, because that means less touches. At this point, I'm just ready to sink or swim with this team, and just let the chips lay where they fall. We have 3 (maybe 4 if you include Holiday) young players with great potential, and it's just time to see what they can do.
                        Yeah, I'm fine with that this season since I don't think we'll be in serious contention for the ECF or Finals this year. I didn't really specify in my first post, but I meant more for the future when we could potentially be in that conversation. To really contend, I think we'd need another star. But for this year, I'm fully on board with letting the young guys play and learn and see what we have in Holiday, Sumner, Alize, Goga, and even Leaf.
                        It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                          I thought I would never see the day when I would say this, but....

                          We don't need another All-Star level player on this team. I think Indiana just needs to ride this season on the backs of these young players until Vic comes back. Another All-Star level player would stifle the progression of the young players, because that means less touches. At this point, I'm just ready to sink or swim with this team, and just let the chips lay where they fall. We have 3 (maybe 4 if you include Holiday) young players with great potential, and it's just time to see what they can do.
                          I think this is a valid approach if the Pacers organization truly believes Vic will fully return from the injury and one of either Myles, Sabonis, MB, or Holiday will develop into a multiple time AS selection type player. Also need at least a couple of the other three to continue to progress into solid long-term starter level guys.

                          Even if that ultimately plays out this team still needs a big 3 & D wing that can "guard up" against the elite forwards who are dominating the league right now. MB & Vic can handle the Beal's, Tatum's etc.

                          Comment


                          • No surprise that opinions on here vary about the potential of our youngins. I'm also curious, though, about the variation in required time for PDers to form opinions. For those who are down on Holiday and Sumner, for example, what would it take--and how long would it take--for us to change our opinions? Similarly, for those who are high on Leaf and Johnson, how long til we say, "Meh. Okay, I've seen enough. Never mind"?


                            "Sumner reminds me of a young Paul George."

                            - Clyde Drexler.

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by DrFife View Post
                              No surprise that opinions on here vary about the potential of our youngins. I'm also curious, though, about the variation in required time for PDers to form opinions. For those who are down on Holiday and Sumner, for example, what would it take--and how long would it take--for us to change our opinions? Similarly, for those who are high on Leaf and Johnson, how long til we say, "Meh. Okay, I've seen enough. Never mind"?
                              I can only speak for myself, but I was never for the "Let the young players player and develop" philosophy. To me, it was just lowkey way of saying "tank the season", and hopefully we'll get a high draft pick. When people said it, it was when we had Joe Young, Hakeem Christmas, Alize Johnson, IkeAnigbogu, etc type of players. To me, these players would have NEVER have made even descent backups on a good team, so to me...why waste the season developing players that won't mount to anything. Truthfully, I'm STILL not big on Sumner or Leaf, so I could care less about their development, but they could prove me wrong over time. The only reason why I wouldn't mind it this season, because we have 3 players knocking on the door of an All-Star breakout season in Turner (DYOP candidate - kinda), Sabonis (6th Man candidate), and Brogan (50/40/90 club). Then we have Holiday who seems to be our diamond in the rough pick, and who I think should be given heavy minutes the same way we gave Lance opportunity to shine.

                              These players need to put into a sink or swim situation while Victor is out, so we can see what we got. If we can secure our future at the PG/PF/C spot on cheap contracts, then we only have to worry about one position for the 2020-2021 season where Indiana will have salary cap to get a solid starter at the SF spot. Plus, we need to know what type of value we have in Sabonis who's qualifies for an extension after this season.
                              Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 07-05-2019, 11:51 AM.


                              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by DrFife View Post
                                No surprise that opinions on here vary about the potential of our youngins. I'm also curious, though, about the variation in required time for PDers to form opinions. For those who are down on Holiday and Sumner, for example, what would it take--and how long would it take--for us to change our opinions? Similarly, for those who are high on Leaf and Johnson, how long til we say, "Meh. Okay, I've seen enough. Never mind"?
                                Well, for example, I'm actually a believer in TJ Leaf and I think he is extremely talented offensively. For me, it would require Leaf getting the same opportunity a guy like McDermott gets. McDermott just played an entire season poorly 75% of the time, yet was allowed to continue. And for me, that's the guy that better worry about minutes, not the guy who hasn't been given an opportunity. Let the dude play thru some mistakes. Give him regular rotation minutes for an extended period of time (like half a season) and reevaluate. I guarantee, you will start to see some serious improvement.
                                "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X