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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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THE OFFICIAL 2019 OFF SEASON/TRADE RUMORS THREAD

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  • Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
    What do you think fans today would say about Magic Johnson, who was a much a worse 3 point shooter than Westbrook, and didnt improve until he was right around the same age Russ is now?
    "Dudes trash"
    They would say Magic Johnson has multiple NBA championships. There's no question Westbrook brings as much heart, energy, and hustle to the floor as anyone, but the reality is that since Kevin Durant left for Golden State, his teams have never won a playoff series and he's shot under 40% from the floor in each season during the playoffs (two of those with Paul George).

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    • Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
      I'm pushing back against statements like the one you make about Westbrooks contract, because there are no absolutes.

      If you would have told me at the start of the playoffs that the Toronto Raptors would win it, while investing the kind of money they had in Gasol,& Lowry and Ibaka, I wouldn't have believed that either.

      What do you think fans today would say about Magic Johnson, who was a much a worse 3 point shooter than Westbrook, and didnt improve until he was right around the same age Russ is now?

      "Dudes trash"
      Magic didnít jack up 6-7 threes per game. He had this wired habit of, you know, attempting shots he was actually good at making.

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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      • Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

        Titles. Rings. Championships.

        He isn't going to win one with his style of play.

        Nice season Russ. Enjoy the next round of the playoffs from the comfort of your sofa. Hopefully - you can see your mantle from there.
        So many guys don't win championships. You must be the best office worker in the world, right? Or whatever you are. His play style is super exciting for his team and their fans, plus he aided an MVP, in addition to winning his own. He has done plenty in the league and will be a first-ballot guy.

        A championship wouldn't all of a sudden make him a better player, and I don't believe he would have won a championship by now if he had changed his game up. When they lost against OKC, it was a team effort, and KD was also far from efficient. One of them just had the opportunity to go to a legendary team to win their title. Russ isn't the best in the NBA, but his play style has often elevated his teams. Someone on these teams has to draw defensive attention.

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        • I think all the max and supermax contracts get scrutinized, because of their value compared to production of others with the same kind of contract. For instance Lebron goes for 30% of the cap. Westbrook goes for 35%. Does the 5% extra for Westbrook equal his teams chance to win it all? It's all relative. That is also what leads to the perception of negative trade value.
          Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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          • Originally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
            I think all the max and supermax contracts get scrutinized, because of their value compared to production of others with the same kind of contract. For instance Lebron goes for 30% of the cap. Westbrook goes for 35%. Does the 5% extra for Westbrook equal his teams chance to win it all? It's all relative. That is also what leads to the perception of negative trade value.
            I think they have to change how they do max contracts. It seems like a lot of teams are trading players to avoid giving them the supermax contract. And why the hell is people arguing over Westbrook??? There will be a team that's going to trade for him. Everyone can complain or point out that his "style of basketball" don't win championships, but he's still a superstar player. If he was making around $33M, I PROMISE you people would be begging to have him on the team. He's really the type of a player that most Pacers fans root for. A player that plays with raw emotions (Lance), and gives you 200% on the floor every game he plays. And we're in the Eastern Conference too??? Westbrook is game changer for any Eastern Conference team willing to take him.


            Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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            • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

              I think they have to change how they do max contracts. It seems like a lot of teams are trading players to avoid giving them the supermax contract. And why the hell is people arguing over Westbrook??? There will be a team that's going to trade for him. Everyone can complain or point out that his "style of basketball" don't win championships, but he's still a superstar player. If he was making around $33M, I PROMISE you people would be begging to have him on the team. He's really the type of a player that most Pacers fans root for. A player that plays with raw emotions (Lance), and gives you 200% on the floor every game he plays. And we're in the Eastern Conference too??? Westbrook is game changer for any Eastern Conference team willing to take him.
              Heís going to be getting $10m and $13m more two and three seasons from now. Toronto had critical role players (Green and FVV) who cost them less than that who just helped them win a championship (not counting Siakam who is on a rookie deal). That is the class of player Houston is missing and havenít been able to acquire, in large part because of their cap situation.

              Again, maybe itís worth it for Lebron, Kawhi, KD, but not Russ, Kyrie, Lillard, etc. Top 5 guys who play 2, 3, or 4 only IMO.
              Last edited by SaintLouisan; 07-10-2019, 10:17 AM.

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              • People also miss Westbrook having a player option in 2 years, maybe he doesnít pick it up to get a longer contract at a reasonable rate, if there is anybody that can convince him that could be Riley and the Miami Heat.
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                • Originally posted by SaintLouisan View Post

                  Heís going to be getting $10m and $13m more two and three seasons from now. Toronto had critical role players (Green and FVV) who cost them less than that who just helped them win a championship (not counting Siakam who is on a rookie deal). That is the class of player Houston is missing and havenít been able to acquire, in large part because of their cap situation.

                  Again, maybe itís worth it for Lebron, Kawhi, KD, but not Russ, Kyrie, Lillard, etc. Top 5 guys who play 2, 3, or 4 only IMO.
                  Someone will trade for him, because Westbrook helps you win games and put fans into the seats. As for his contract...well the owners agreed to the new CBA, so they'll just have to suck that one up. My comment was more for the people who act like they would never, ever wanted Westbrook on the team no matter how much superstar money he was making.


                  Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                  • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    People also miss Westbrook having a player option in 2 years, maybe he doesnít pick it up to get a longer contract at a reasonable rate, if there is anybody that can convince him that could be Riley and the Miami Heat.
                    First, Westbrook's player option is only there after he plays 3 more seasons.

                    Second, let's say Westbrook does that to get a 3 year deal. What contract for Westbrook is appropriate by that point that would cause him to turn down 47 million dollars? That's getting really old for a point guard.

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                    • Originally posted by LilSean320 View Post

                      Iím glad to see the players running things. U sound mad lmao

                      Hello, the nba commissioner is not happy when players keeps on tamering.and just connive in three state.

                      players are still employees. They signed a contract.

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                      • Imagine thinking this guy sucks lol


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                        • Russ isnít turning down nearly $50M at age 34. Thatís just not going to happen.

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                          • JMHO, but I would trade for a Player like Westbrook only if I knew that the Pacers would still have a viable and quality supporting cast to surround him with. The raptors lucked out and still had a solid lineup that included Lowry, Siakim, Van Fleet, Ibaka, OG and JonasV ( which they upgraded to Gasol afterwards ). They then were able to squeeze Danny Green out of the Spurs as well.

                            I would understand why a Team like the Magic and Pacers wouldn't trade for Westbrook. For any Team trading for Westbrook, it simply comes down to whether that Team getting him will be in an immediate position to compete for a Deep Playoff run and a Championship in the next 2 seasons.

                            If not?

                            Then there is no point to trade for him. Cuz trading for Westbrook ( much like the Raptors did with Kawhi ) is an "All In" move. If you're not already ready ( simply because your team doesn't have the needed pieces ) to compete at a high level immediately and then have a FO that understands that you have to make trades while giving up a lot of assets to get the quality Players to support that new Player, then it's not worth it to go after that Player.

                            In a alternate universe where the Pacers traded for Westbrook and he was willing to come here; but the Pacers were left with a weak supporting cast to surround and support Westbrook ( simply because it cost an arm and a leg to trade for him ), then I wouldn't want to trade him.
                            Last edited by CableKC; 07-10-2019, 03:02 PM.
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                            • The dream Miami lineup and favorite to win the east will be: Westbrook, Winslow, Jimmy, Olynyk, Adams
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